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SunnComm Reconsiders Lawsuit Threat

The Importance of writes "SunnComm, which yesterday had threatened to sue Alex Halderman for writing a report critical of SunnComm's MediaMax CD3 DRM technology, has now backed off that threat. 'I don't want to be the guy that creates any kind of chilling effect on research,' SunnComm's CEO Peter Jacobs said."

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  1. I don't know what's scarier: by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that he could bring the lawsuit up at all, or the fact that he thought he could WIN.

    "I don't want to be the guy that creates any kind of chilling effect on research," Jacobs said.

    If I may submit an idea, sir, if you really want to avoid chilling effects on research through this law, perhaps you could bring the challenge to court anyway, and then lose. That would set a precident.

    Hell, you wouldn't even have to get a good lawyer. In fact the worse a lawyer you get, the more benficial it'll be in the long run. Think it over?
    GMFTatsujin

  2. I'm disappointed.. .sorta by Whammy666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would have liked to see this go to trial with the aid of the EFF. It would have made an excellent test case challenging the stupidity contained in the DMCA.

    On the other hand, I'm glad the kid isn't going to get shafted by this.

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    1. Re:I'm disappointed.. .sorta by southpolesammy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems plausible to me that SunnComm's CEO had a sit-down with the DMCA proponents where they informed him to cease any pursuit of legal action involving the DMCA, since they're afraid that putting a weak case against it could result in a court throwing out the entire Act, and thereby jeopardize their ability to contnue to threaten others/hide behind/abuse it to their benefit.

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  3. Heh by Kaa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am guessing his lawyers explained to him in simple words his chances of winning that lawsuit...

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  4. Truly disappointing by lurker412 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Too bad they're backing off. This was so patently absurd that it provided terrific support to the anti-DCMA forces.

  5. Translation by Dinglenuts · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Translation of this guy's soundbite after being run through the BS machine: "I don't actually know anything about computers, but I thought I knew how to be a belligerent mercantilist. Now I realize I don't have a chance in hell of winning anything, especially since this kid is a college student with no money, so instead I'm going to try to spin it so me and my stupid company don't look like total asses. I'll be going back to my job now as a slave for the RIAA and their associated goons. Have a nice day!"

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  6. Gotta love the cluelessness. New CEO anyone? by fname · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The last line in the article, a quote from CEO Jacobs, says it all:
    "It's 10 million bucks, but maybe I can make it back, and maybe [Halderman] can learn a little bit more about our technology so as not to call it brain dead."
    Or, you could design a system that isn't braindead.

    The saddest part is that they acknowledge this will only deter casual copying, i.e., fair-use. The real CD pirates (the ones selling pirated CDs) will just laugh, and no matter what system they use, it will get uploaded to Kazaa (people ripped their old 45s and put them up on Napster for crying out loud). So we have a system which prevents "honest" customers from listening to their music on their iPod, does nada to prevent uploading to Kazaa, and less than nothing to stop CD pirates.

    Will somebody please give these guys a giant dope-slap to the back of their heads?
  7. The problem with this whole mess by GreenCrackBaby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand why companies keep putting DRM on CDs and DVDs. Is it just ignorance, or do they honestly believe there's value there? I forget how much Macrovision protection on DVDs costs, but it's a significant piece of the total cost of the DVD -- I'm sure that SunnComm charges a similar price for each CD shipped with its "DRM" (I use quotes because this really is the most pathetic DRM I've heard of).

    Where is the value for the producers of those DVDs and CDs? All it takes is a single MP3 to be leaked and all the copy protection on the CDs out there is useless. Back in the Napster days I ripped a fairly obscure song and made it available. Even today I can search DC Hubs or Kazaa and find my MP3 all over the place. Copy protection will only ever work if it prevents 100% of copying...which it never will.

    My advice to RIAA and MPAA member companies: just drop the whole notion of DRM on your products. Trust your customers, give them what they want, treat them with respect. Most of us won't screw you...honest!

    All DRM does is punish the honest user, spawn bizarre laws like the DMCA, and make a fun target for the release groups to crack.

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    1. Re:The problem with this whole mess by pavera · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no value. I worked with Westwood studios before EA bought them, on the game Red Alert 2 they spent about 20% of the budget on the game on the copy protection they tried to incorporate. The protection was still broken within 2 hours of the games release. On their next game (BladeRunner) they dropped all copy protection because they found that they had sold nearly $1 million in Red Alert 2 because people got the warez copy, liked it and went and bought the real game. Basically they had spent around $10 million to try to prevent themselves from getting $1 million in revenue. Obviously this doesn't take into account the people that played the warez copy and didn't buy the game, but those people wouldn't have bought the game anyway I dont think (and either did they). There is no value in copy protection whatsoever, when will the RIAA and MPAA realize this?

  8. Re:Haha, nice save! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    >> By coincidence he also didn't figure out he didn't have much chance of winning *anything*, financial or otherwise, did he?

    He should have know that from the start - he was suing a *grad student* fer pete's sake... Hell, we can barely afford beer and pizza on our stipends, forget paying damages.

  9. Lesson by malignatus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like SunnComm learned their lesson from the RIAA, MPAA and SCO: Filing lawsuits because your organization sucks just makes more people realize that your organization sucks.

  10. I read it like this... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I don't want to be the guy that gets laughed out of court for trying to stop users from hitting the SHIFT key".

    Seriously, it doesn't take a genius to work out that:

    a) the "protection" mechanism was going to be easy to circumvent; and
    b) once the circumvention was common knowledge, the "protection" mechanism was going to be useless.

    Now if the circumvention method involved something a little more difficult than pressing one single key (or disabling autorun) then he might have something to go to court about. As it stands, their "protection" is useless vs anyone who knows the first thing about how to use a PC - and that subset includes the very people who are most likely to rip a CD and upload it to P2P networks.

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  11. Re:Why are they backing off? by Sxooter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, the DMCA does explicitly state it's illegal to bypass an "effective means" of copy protection. Not even the most tech-clueless judge would consider suncomm's protection effective. It doesn't work on windows machines that just happen to have auto-run disabled, it doesn't work on machines where the user is properly running his machine under a non-administrative account that doesn't have permission to install software, it doesn't work on Linux or, for the most part the MAC, making this method particularly ineffective.

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  12. Re:Why are they backing off? by dougmc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    someone who steals a candybar is prosecuted with as much vigor as someone who steals a car.
    Cute analogy, but false. At least in Texas, `grand theft auto' is a good deal more serious crime than a theft of a candy bar, aka a `class C misdemeanor'. If you're arrested shoplifting something small (under $20 or $50 I think) the cop often (usually?) won't even take you to jail -- he'll let you sit in the car for a while while he writes up a ticket, then lets you go.

    And then once you go to court, if your record is clean, they may (usually? always?) offer to let you take a `don't shoplist!' class (very similar to defensive driving) and if you keep out of trouble for 6 months or so, the case is dismissed.

    If you steal a car, they're not quite so friendly. (But if you then take it and have it repainted, they'll all forget about you!)

  13. Re:Chilling Effect on Research? by luwain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This situation once again illustrates why the DMCA is flawed legislation. The DMCA actually encourages litigation that borders on extortion, and comes very, very close to supporting the inhibition of Freedom of speech.
    Also, it seems to me that developing a product to combat casual copying doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think casual copying is costing the industry a lot of money. And if someone really wants a copy of something, they can always find a geek friend in the neighborhood who can figure out "how to hold down the shift key". The fact is, the majority of consumers are honest customers who pay for product and support. It doesn't make sense to cripple products with DRM for everyone, to prevent supposed losses from people who probably hardly buy music at all. I can more sympathsize with the RIAA getting upset with P2P, where a person can distribute thousands of copies of a track throughout the world in a few minutes -- rather than SunComm trying to prevent a Mom from distributing 12 custom music CDs at her kid's birthday party.
    Another point -- from personal experience -- I hardly bought any music at all in the decade before Napster; since technology has been making it possible to rip tracks, play music on my PC, mix video and sound, create custom media , I've actually gotten to the point where I buy 4 to 10 CDs a month -- which is 4 to 10 times more music than I ever bought in the 80s or 90s. I think that there are more geeks like me, than those whose music collection consists entirely of "free" music.