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OpenBSD3.4 Shipping
skelley writes "As seen on deadly.org, OpenBSD 3.4 CDs have begin to ship. If you ordered one already, you should see a charge appear on your credit card (if that's how you paid) and you should expect to see your CD in the next few days to week (depending on where you are). The CDs are being shipped from Calgary. This is earlier than expected, but hey ... enjoy it!"
You'll have to remove the corpse of VA Linux first.
I still can't order OpenBSD 3.4 throught its web site. Unless I am mistaken, I think this announcement was a little bit premature...
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
... to invent CDs.
The 3.1 song was the best. This one is weird - but nice lyrics.
Lots of changes in the release: looks like a large code audit, ProPolice in the kernel, libraries loaded at random addresses, W^X for i386. Looks good. Haven't used with OpenBSD since 2.8 (went to FreeBSD), but this I might try this one.
Click here to see something that looks sort of like the typical OpenBSD shipping vehicle. However, since it is Open, you are likely to see a convertible model.
My copy of OpenBSD3.4 arrived at the office today, and turned a few heads. I'm sure they can come up with a more compact package... check it out
Dumbass. -1, Redundant. Didn't you read the Troll-in-one?
I mostly agree with your post. He can code probably very good, but that's not my problem with him. Point is, he is indeed immature. I've followed him closely. I have some theories about him and a mental illness, but i have to know more about his childhood to analyse it futher. I've run OpenBSD. I still do. And i'm not satisfied.
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For example, a patch for PF was there for more than a month. Finally an announcement was made about this patch. Then, it gets deleted because it isn't ''according to the rules''.
Says Theo, who hates politics, and hated the way that worked in NetBSD. How the hell does that justify that months long bug in PF? Then, in the topic on Deadly.org, people say ''it was already fixed'' because ''it is in CVS''. Hello? We end users run -stable mostly.
Thread:
http://www.deadly.org/article.php3?sid
Seems the OpenBSD ''core'', or at least Theo can't play with criticism. Although probably not everyone in the group takes this description, the user groups of Linux are according to me pretty childish.
Making a mistake can happen. We're humans. It's no shame. Current world politics blur mistakes. I thought a part of opensource projects would be to be open, and i thought OpenBSD would be open too.
Yet, they keep their development process (which includes hierarchy) closed. Follow this PaX thread. Makes me wonder what to they have to hide?
Thread: http://www.deadly.org/article.php3?sid=2003100911
His continious bashing of glibc and Linux. Example hereunder.
Thread: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/6
Yesterday i stumbled accross this thread:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-use
I've had it. I cannot feel okay if my OS is relying on such a creep. The only thing i'd really miss on other OSes would be PF. Therefore i'll probably switch to another BSD, probably NetBSD. Since i have no problem with the GPL at all i can just as well switch to Linux. The killing of GPL in OpenBSD, and the killing of Qmail, is far beyond my interest. If PF gets ported to Linux or IPTables or something gets similair functionality, i'll switch to Debian GNU/Linux, also because of practical reasons which will start to become important in my near future.
(don't even dare to state you're gonna use another BSD on Deadly.org, even if you use arguments, you're still gonna be flamed)
"the user groups of Linux are according to me pretty childish."
...
Oops, i meant of OpenBSD instead.
Example: #openbsd on Freenode, Deadly.org,
So are the majority of Slashdot.org posters. . .
Maybe if someone with a maturity level higher than gradeschool takes over then OpenBSD has a good chance. But at the moment it's an unprofessional joke.
You base this opinion on your opinion of Theo?
I know of two major banks which use OpenBSD for their firewalls. I've received this info from insiders on independant occasions without asking (was a comment in passing, during conversation, regarding my use of OpenBSD).
The source is there and people do use OpenBSD's tree and their own private tree's for real, business critical work.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
/home/share/*.bin /home/share/17MB.bin /home/share/17MB.bin /home/share/music /home/share/17MB.bin /home/share/17MB.bak
a dd&sektion=1&format=html
From my old server...
login as: root
root@10.0.0.2's password:
Last login: Thu Oct 16 13:12:27 2003 from 10.0.0.13
OpenBSD 3.2 (GENERIC) #25: Thu Oct 3 19:51:53 MDT 2002
Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system.
Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system.
Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest
version of the code. With bug reports, please try to ensure that
enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a
known fix for it exists, include that as well.
Terminal type? [xterm]
Don't login as root, use su
oldserver# dmesg|grep cpu0
cpu0: F00F bug workaround installed
cpu0: Intel Pentium/MMX ("GenuineIntel" 586-class) 200 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX
oldserver# dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/share/17MB.bin bs=32k count=544
544+0 records in
544+0 records out
17825792 bytes transferred in 1.110 secs (16057261 bytes/sec)
oldserver# ls -la
-rw-r--r-- 1 root nobody 17825792 Oct 16 15:25
oldserver# time cp
0.0u 1.3s 0:01.66 81.9% 0+0k 293+1916io 11pf+0w
oldserver# time cp
0.0u 1.3s 0:05.23 26.0% 0+0k 286+1916io 0pf+0w
That's 1.66 seconds to copy a file exactly 17Mbytes from one disk to another, on an Pentium 200 MMX OpenBSD 3.2 machine.
To more closly match what you are doing, copying the same file to the same disk took 5.23 seconds.
1. You can not play games on it. Yeah, when I want to play games, the first thing I think is OpenBSD!
2. It cannot be used by my grandma. Neither can PIX. Your point?
3. It lacks a GUI of any note. You obviously consider any free Unix that doesn't come installed by default with a GUI as "lacking a GUI". I guess you use Mandrake because that is all you are capable of using.
4. There is no support available for it. http://www.openbsd.org/support.html
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes. This is so untrue. The BSD's are whole and complete units in themselves. You wanna talk fragmentation, look at Linux.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform. Idiot. This is the worst troll I have ever seen. http://www.openbsd.org/plat.html
7. You have to compile everything and know C. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pkg_
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor. BSD's often supports certain hardware before Linux does (crypto, USB, etc) and once something is supported, the support often tends to be much better (WiFi).
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux. OpenBSD supports binary emulation of most programs from SVR4 (Solaris), FreeBSD, Linux, BSD/OS, SunOS and HP-UX. (from the OpenBSD front page)
10.It is dying. Yeah, right. Do you think that if you keep saying something, it will happen? The only thing that will happen, is that most people will ignore you and a few will take the time to ridicule you.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
Whatever. The most important fact is that OpenBSD is dying.
What's the big deal?
He's an asshole. So is Rieser. So is Stallman. A lot of the people in the open source community are. Who cares? You don't have to deal with him.
When someone might yell at me, it has to be OpenBSD.
may someone has tried to dualboot openbsd 3.4 (current) with windows 2000 (its just a desktop system - no production machine.)
and NTFS? currently Im running w2k (on fat32 which sucks) and OBSD3.3 - and GAG
- due the new (?) NTFS Support it should work if GAG is installed on a w2k boot partion - or am I totally wrong? (I know I should have posted this to misc@openbsd.org - which Ill do in the evening..)
some patches arent instantly backported to -stable versions so that they can be tested in -current (or personal environments) first, to make sure they actually work without causing other problems.
"He's an asshole."
So we agree on that.
"So is Rieser."
Hans Reiser? Why? You don't state arguments.
"So is Stallman."
Richard Stallman? Why? You don't state arguments.
"You don't have to deal with him."
Hah. When i run OpenBSD, i have to deal with Theo. He controls many things in my OS. That includes patches. And i run OpenBSD. Not for long, that is.
I know. However that shouldn't take more than a month. Plus, when it's finally there, pull it off again because it wasn't done in a bureaucratic way.
YHBT
This is posted, possibly by a bot, whenever there is an openbsd article.
any article, its been in any computer forum. I've see it in linux ones when talking about the new 2.6 features, and in pretty much macos story as well
Yes. i know the offical 'cd format' is copyrighted ( what a crock ) and i can make my own if i want to go thru all that work and have the time.
But i dont..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
There's no way you'd catch our business using OpenBSD
Thats your loss. OpenBSD is a great system and just because Theo can come across as rude and arrogant doesn't mean he can't pull together a great system.
I try to respect people for what they do well, not hate them for their faults.
There are a few Linux forks that have a similar policy.
If you don't like buying the CD, go and DL from the FTP site the files and do network based installs.
Or, move to a BSD version that doesn't have such a restriction, if you don't like the way OpenBSD does business.
Why violate the wishes of the OpenBSD 'crew'?
Theo doesn't control anything in your OS. That's the point - you have total control. You can modify it yourself or pick which patches you want to be applied.
Who cares about Theo? I'm not running a clone of Theo in my house, I'm running a nice operating system. Pretend he has quit the development team and now everything comes from fluffy unicorns whose mission is to make a good, secure OS and make everybody feel all warm and fuzzy inside. They really like you and want to be your friend. Now run the operating system and forget about politics.
I could care less about their wishes ( or anyone elses ). its what I want that matters.
Simple as that.
I normally use FBSD anyway, but i like to keep a collection of current alternatives to look at.
And I dont want to screw with having to create my own install ( and network isntalls are not acceptable, i do tests offline.. )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Others dont copyright the 'layout' and they are still thriving.
I understand he wants to continue to be funded, but pissing people off in the process isnt a good way to do it.
Its kept my $ going to the FBSD camp instead of theo, due to the attitude.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
What We Can Learn From BSD
By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0
Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.
Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.
These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.
As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.
Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the generous goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.
The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.
What an informative article! I feel 100% smarter by reading that. Now just for comparison, I did a google search on various operating systems.
) longest uptime list is a *BSD variant! Dead?
Linux Returned 112 million articles
BSD returned 7.6 million articles
OS/2 returned 4.4 million articles
CP/M returned 100 thousand articles
So BSD is not dying, by any means. It is stable, scalable, and every web site on Netcraft's top 50 (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
~UltraSkuzzi
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