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For Americans, Imported Textbooks Can Be Cheaper

mblase writes "The NYTimes has an article (free reg required, someone'll post the Google link any minute now) about how the Internet has trumped capitalism yet again -- the very same college textbooks used in the United States sell for half price, or less, in England. One sophomore imported 30 biology books this fall and sold them outside his classroom for less than the campus-bookstore price, netting a $1,200 profit." Wait 'til they shuffle the problem sets.

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  1. Not capitalism by pavon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...about how the Internet has trumped capitalism yet again...

    No should be: how the free market internet has enabled capitalism to trump corporate price fixing.

  2. Did he get the bill from Customs yet? by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It often takes a couple of months for the duty bill to show up. Ask me how I know. :(

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    1. Re:Did he get the bill from Customs yet? by brett42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just checked customs.gov, I found this. (pdf) It seems to indicate that importing books is free. Has anyone else gotten a customs bill for importing textbooks? I'd really like to know since I'm now seriously thinking about using amazon.co.uk next semester.

  3. Trumping Capitalism?? by Flounder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is capitalism at it's pure form. Finding a product in demand, selling it at a price that undercuts the competition, and making a healthy profit.

    At least until he's trumped by the powers of communism (lawsuits by the school or the textbook becoming illegal to import under the DMCA)

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    1. Re:Trumping Capitalism?? by Triskele · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with capitalism. I know that for some of you capitalism == free market but they are quite separable concepts. Capitalism is to do with capital, the integral of money (i.e., the derivative of capital is money originally in the form of a dividend). What you are seeing here is the triumph of an international free market. It might help if some of you lot had actually read Marx rather than ranting on about "oh this would never have happened with communism". The founder of communism had quite a lot to say about this. "Das Capital" is still the root of much modern economic theory.

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    2. Re:Trumping Capitalism?? by Watts+Martin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think "trumping capitalism" was a silly description, but I also think your analysis is a little too glib.

      Neither of these (the original price, or the re-importation) are examples of a pure free market system. Copyright ensures that the textbook is only available from one producer (the publisher); there's no competition in production at all, therefore, but only among distributors. And, as someone else pointed out, the problem being solved by the text-book reimporting is essentially a problem of price-fixing. The producer is able to set baseline prices differently in different countries in a manner completely independent of demand. (If a course requires book X, you don't get book Y on the same subject that's 15% less, you get book X.) It hardly requires anything that smacks of "communism" for the reimportation to be stopped; it just requires the producers to raise prices in other countries to make this no longer cost-effective.

      This kind of end-run is a makeshift way to address the problem, but the real problem is addressed only by radical deregulation (removing the monopoly power of copyright) or greater regulation (imposed price controls on the market). Both of those would get different sets of people highly outraged, of course, and the former one is becoming a classic neolibertarian dilemma: "intellectual property" is arguably a form of property right, the virtual foundation of capitalism, yet also arguably a form of government-granted monopoly.

  4. Internet furthers capitalism by DeepDarkSky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Internet, if anything, empowers capitalism even more precisely because of this kind of thing. The Internet enlarges the market, making it possible to compete at a level like never before by eliminating geographic boundaries (to an extent) and reduce localization of markets.

    Why do these kinds of exclamations make it into the story anyway? I thought there were editors for these things....oh wait, this is slashdot, nevermind.

  5. This is hardly just Britain. by neko+the+frog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a rather long essay I wrote a while back on the subject, so bear with me on this.

    Deep within downtown Seoul, on the bottom floor of one of the city's innumerable high-rises, is the Kyobo Bookstore, the largest of its kind in Asia. Along the West wall of this 2.3 million title shopping center is a selection of English books, and a selection of college textbooks larger than that many American campus stores. A visiting American student majoring in for example mathematics would be astounded upon browsing the selection, not because of the wide variety of books available, but because the exact same book which he or she spent over $120 on for the previous semester is available here for $30.

    Many of the business practices of the textbook industry are well known, if only subconsciously, to all college students. The nearly oligarchical cartel in the textbook industry drives the price of schoolbooks to unreasonable levels, between three to five times fair market value for equivalent non-scholastic texts in North American school bookstores (even though they can be purchased cheaply overseas), by means of a captive student population who does not have a choice in which textbooks they much purchase and price-control mechanisms such as frequent yet marginal revisions to short-circuit any used book market and "value-added" features such as subscription-based Internet site access, partly so as to satiate an expectation of high profits by textbook authors in an over-saturated industry.

    The fact that textbooks are extremely expensive is difficult to debate. A quick browse in Amazon.com's textbook section shows that the average price for the top five books in each of their categories, is currently $89.47. Only one book in their top Mathematics section is sold for less than $99--and that book is only available used (Amazon). Since it is not uncommon for professors to require more than one book for a class, the financial burden on students can easy top five hundred dollars per semester. Furthermore, the cost of textbooks severely outpaces inflation: the United States Department of Labor indicates that the wholesale price of textbooks has increased 65 percent in the past decade, nearly six times the average increase in producer prices on the whole (Hubbard). In contrast, it is quite rare to find a hardcover book online or at a physical bookstore, even technical in nature, that retails for over $45.

    The traditional method for students to offset these costs is the used book market, usually also facilitated by the campus bookstore. However, the industry has several methods of short-circuting this market. Most obvious is the frequent revisioning of textbooks, with as little as six months between versions, make previous versions economically worthless because even if the changes are as mundane as rearranged exercises (not uncommon in math and physics texts), publishers will stop printing the older edition, forcing professors to switch to ordering the new editions or risk alienating students who cannot find used copies of previous editions. or adding in "value-added" items such as CD-ROMs, magazines, or Internet Web Site access which are rarely used by instructors but serve to prevent used book sales.

    In an effort to get instructors, departments and school boards to adopt a text, publishers go to great lengths to entice faculty. Perhaps one of the most ridiculous instances of textbook publishers trying to win instructor favor was an attempt to woo Richard Feynman, one of the most prominent physicists of the 20th century and a professor at the California Institute of Technology. Mr. Feynman was offered some 300 pounds of textbooks to review and recommend, and the promise that "We'll get someone to help you read them." One book he was asked to review was blank ("We just need a recommendation"), and when he delayed for several days (allowing a bidding war which cost the publisher two million dollars), Feynman was offered gifts ranging from fruit baskets to an all-expense-paid tou

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  6. God help students of today by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I went to UNC in 1989, in-state tuition was something like $300/semester, plus maybe $100 worth of books. (Math books were expensive even then, maybe $250 for a semester of books by senior year).

    You guys today are getting totally raped by the Banks & Credit lenders -- they're the ones conspiring to launch you into life $100,000 in debt and spend the rest of your life that way. You bitch about Haliburton and the oil companies -- but it's the Equifax/Visa/&c.s of the world that are your true enemies.

  7. Speaking as a professor by kurisuto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I sure don't get any kickbacks for "forcing my classes to use 'upgraded' textbooks". I've never heard of such a practice. These days, I'm lucky if I can even get the publishers to follow the traditional practice of sending me a free desk copy for evaluation purposes; more and more often, publishers want me to pay for the text before I consider creating a captive market of 40 student customers for them.

    I share your anger about the problem of publishers charging unreasonable prices for textbooks. If I could find a low-priced textbook which is a reasonably academically sound choice, I'd choose it. Unfortunately, for every course I've ever taught, all of my choices have been overpriced. So what I'm forced to do is to make the best tradeoff I can between picking the most academically suitable text vs. saving my students as much money as I can.

    The only other option I see is to create my own inexpensive in-house textbook, but this is a huge amount of effort; it's much easier for me to simply use a prepackaged text. Producing my own text would be easier is if someone in my field would organize a single, well-ordered, referreed online repository of open-source chapters, exercises, etc. If such a thing existed, and if the college infrastructure existed so that I could just hand off my camera-ready pages and have the bound text effortlessly appear on the bookstore shelf without my having to rassle with copying, binding, and pricing details, then I'd consider putting the extra time into doing this.

    However, unrefereed course packs don't count as publications, and if you don't have enough publications, you don't get tenure--simple as that. If I spend time creating a cheap alternative for my students instead of writing research articles for peer-reviewed journals, then I'm significantly reducing my propects for my own survival. Those are the pressures I'm responding to.

    It would be nice if students organized and lobbied the administration to change their tenure evaluation criteria on this point. If it helped us to get tenure by creating inexpensive in-house texts, more of us would be doing it. Unfortunately, I don't foresee students doing this; the point is probably too abstruse from the perspective of students who never come into contact with the tenure process.