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Swarthmore Students Keep Diebold Memos Online

An anonymous reader submits "Two student groups based out of Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania announced today that they are rejecting Diebold Elections Systems' cease-and-desist orders and are initiating an electronic civil disobedience campaign that will ensure permanent public access to the controversial leaked memos. You can read the memos, search the memos, or download the memos."

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  1. Print 'em up! by NeuroManson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, print up pamphlets and distribute them, citing the e-mails and memos, with a "dumbed down" non technical explaination of just what the problems are with Diebold machines. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on copies, just print out 10-50 pamphlets.

    Then hand them out to anyone and everyone you see on the street. If you can manage to do it outside of polling locations, all the better.

    There's only about 5 million people online, and talking about it amongst ourselves is not going to make any difference, especially since the mainstream news has been ignoring the issue. We are, in essense, the minority. The majority are those who need to be informed. The guys without computers, the guys without internet service.

    And maybe, just MAYBE, the more people in the general public that are made aware, then perhaps enough people will start asking questions that NOBODY can ignore the issue any further.

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  2. Don't just sign the petition by pjcreath · · Score: 5, Interesting
  3. Re:Indymedia by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this the same Indymedia which consists of "stories" posted by raving lunatics that try to pass their most rabid conspiracy theories as legitimate news items?

    Sounds kind of like Slashdot.

    If that's independent news media, give me my biased greedy coporate controlled news anyday.

    1) The open newswire you blast is handled differently on different IMCs. Some sites have an iron-fisted editorial policy, while others are practically free-for-alls. Since the newswire clerks tend to be activists familiar with being ignored and shouted down, the topic of censorship and editorial control is always sensitive. I've argued for a looser editorial policy in some cases, and I've argued for a harder line on crap in others. Read the mailing lists sometime--a lot of people who spend time working on an IMC or two share similar concerns about the unsourced, unsubstantiated crap that some people post as news. Unfortunately, it's hard to argue that such stuff should be immediately hidden when corporate and state media sources post similarly unsourced or half-cocked news with a hardline editorial policy.

    2) One person's wacko conspiracy theory is another person's reality. Mind you, this does not excuse some of the greater excesses of the tinfoil hat crowd (the whole "plane didn't hit the Pentagon" crap is so blatantly factless I have to wonder if it's someone's idea of a joke, or a lame COINTELPRO plant, for one example). However, the term "conspiracy theory" seems to be aimed at practically any argument that challenges conventional wisdom, instead of being reserved for the truly raving shit. I actually feel better letting those we view as nutters present their case, so it can be judged on the merits (or lack thereof), instead of having someone else decide for me before the info/crap can even reach my eyes.

    3) Some reactionaries like to refer to Indymedia as "Nazimedia" because some of the morons from the neo-Nazi crowd think they've found a place where they can post freely and get away with it. Going back to my first point, many (ok, practically all) IMCs have editorial policies that explicitly ban racism, sexism, or other forms of hatred based upon intrinsic, immutable characteristics. We hate the Nazi fuckers just as much as you do--even more, perhaps. The Jewish-world-conspiracy morons get the same reaction from real progressive and radical activists that I imagine many of you would have upon reading the crap, and if it can't be hidden due to an extremely loose editorial policy, the imbeciles can at least get slapped down in comments.

    Finally...

    4) The open newswires found on most sites are a fluke of history. The original newswire, on the Seattle IMC, dates from the 1999 "Battle of Seattle". It was intended solely as an experiment in relatively unfiltered, frontline reporting from any observer who could get to a computer. It's rather amazing that many IMCs haven't cracked down and just rid themselves of the often-criticized and -abused open wires, but perhaps it speaks to the committment of most volunteers to ideals of freedom of information and debate.

    "You are your own journalist."--English tagline of Indymedia Israel.

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  4. Re:Indymedia by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Indymedia newswires have an open publishing policy. Anyone familiar with the internet knows what that means in terms of content -- there's a wide variety of content, some of it silly, some of it just copied from other sources. But some of it is also valuable. Typically the best Indymedia content is material posted by non-journalists, either direct participants or activists.

    If you don't like the newswires (and they can be pretty noisy) each local site has edited features, which should make note of the better articles in the newswire. Of course, it's all entirely volunteer, so results may vary.

    Latin American Indymedia sites have been very active, while mainstream media ignores events there almost entirely. Bolivia and Argentina have been very active covering recent events.

  5. Re:Put them on P2P file sharing network WHICH? by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    but which one?

    all of them. its the only way to be sure.

    I'm not joking by the way.

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  6. Swathmore Tradition by toxic666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Before we condemn these students about a civil disobedience stance against electronic voting, keep in mind these folks are at a Quaker-based college and are acting in those traditions. A few of the posts modded up have been somewhat critical of the motives and methods.

    The Society of Friends -- Quakers -- have a long history of questioning that which is conventionally accepted. Thus, they were among the first to question slavery:

    http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/DAILYF/2002/02/dail y- 02-18-2002.shtml

    Quaker-based organizations -- The American Friends Service Committee and British Friends Service Council -- won the 1947 Nobel Peace Prize for their material aid efforts in postwar Europe, particularly in Germany which was then an international paraih:

    http://www.afsc.org/about/nobel.htm

    And they were in Cambodia when nobody else would go.

    Pick a topic -- civil rights, underground railroad, women's rights, GLBT, tolerance of different religions among them -- and Quakers have been quietly (and sometimes not so quietly) questioning convention and willing to stand by their decisions, even when confronted with prison and punishment.

    Check http://www.quaker.org if you want to read about how these people have stood in the face of convention and often ended up ahead of their times. Hint: William Penn Hat Trial.

    And no, they DO NOT dress like the 17th century guy on the oats box. That's more of an Amish style.

  7. I used to worry by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to worry about all the lame-brained, right-wing-liberal, hippie-conservative, crazy assed shit that I've said over the years, and whether having my various posts where I've been all over the political spectrum, all over the spectrum of sanity and insanity, and everywhere from reasonable and educational to bloodthirsty pirate and troll.... I've worried that this legacy would take some explaining, maybe someday, if I were being recruited by the NSA or something, or any other job interview.

    But I WOULD NOT trade for anyone named on any of these Diebold memos.

    If these discussions are really true, if they are really from developers and QA people, they had better count their lucky stars if the interviewer at their next job isn't political.

    You could probably get away with a batch file that prints "system test passed" for all I know.
    --Ken Clark

    I may have said some crazy-assed crap in my time, but that's because I tend to be a clown. But I don't think I'd want to go on record with something like this. I actually might be more inclined to blow the whistle on this operation. Which is obviously what someone did do.

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