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Sun to Merge UltraSPARC with Fujitsu's SPARC64?

Waldmeister writes "The Register has a story from a japanese source, that Sun and Fujitsu are planning to combine their Unix server businesses. Even if Sun doesn't comment on this, they acknowledge that Scott McNealy met Fujitsu's CEO this week. If this will happen, Fujitsu will get the bigger chunk of manufacturing and engineering. With the PrimePower systems outperforming Sun's SunFire systems for some time now, this sounds reasonable, too. And it gives Sun the chance to more resources to extend their Linux and x86 business." There's also a Reuters story.

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  1. Re:Ouch to the American Company by Davak · · Score: 5, Informative
    recently confirmed its commitment to TI technology

    I believe that TI and Sun had developed a relationship with TI's production of the 90-nanometer chips.

    Anyway, there is no doubt that the relationship between TI and Sun has been locked in for a long time. Sun breaking away from TI would most likely be very damaging to TI.

    Sun/TI partnership milestones:
    -- 1988 - Sun/TI relationship founded
    -- 1992 - Delivery of SuperSPARC(r) and MicroSPARC(r) 1
    -- 1994 - Delivery of SuperSPARC II
    -- 1995 - Delivery of UltraSPARC I (first 64 bit SPARC processor)
    -- 1997 - Delivery of UltraSPARC II (72-way support)
    -- 2000 - UltraSPARC III (106-way support)
    -- 2001 - Copper UltraSPARC III
    -- 2002 - UltraSPARC III (industry's first 64-bit in 130 nm)
    -- 2003 - First 64-bit 90 nm process samples


  2. SPEC 2000 scores Fujitsu/Sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It does seem like Fujitsu has the edge with
    their SparcGP4 chip...

    CINT2000

    Company System Results #CPU
    Fujitsu Limited PRIMEPOWER650 (1350MHz) 905 776 1
    Sun Microsystems Sun Fire V880 (1050MHz) 626 560 1

    CFP2000

    Fujitsu Limited PRIMEPOWER650 (1350MHz) 1340 1096 1
    Sun Microsystems Sun Fire V880(1200MHz) 1082 923 1

  3. Re:Hope this doesn't effect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, it would appear to accelerate those
    plans:

    Sparc 64 Roadmap writeup

  4. Re:Hope this doesn't effect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Won't. Fujitsu is doing the multi-core thing too.

    SPARC64 chips outperform Ultra in many ways,

    o 6 way pipelineing instructions
    o hardware instruction retry
    o ECache ECC

    MHz for MHz, Fujitsu SPARC is about 30% faster than
    Sun SPARC.

    more reliable too.

  5. Re:Extend their Linux and x86 business? by southpolesammy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sun may not have a focused Linux strategy, but you can bet that Fujitsu does. In addition to the PrimePower line of SPARC-based servers, they have their Primergy line of Intel-based servers that can easily run Linux. Fujitsu's Linux strategy hasn't been well defined yet, but they would be remiss to not jump on that bandwagon ASAP.

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  6. Re:Ouch to the American Company by pmz · · Score: 2, Informative


    There's no reason why TI couldn't keep making the UltraSPARC IIi, IIe, II, III Cu, IIIi, IV, IVi CPUs for quite some time, as the UltraSPARC installed base is very large. Chips like the IIi and IIIi probably give TI much more volume in the long term than the III Cu, anyway. If Sun and TI do break up it would be more of a weaning than a pushing overboard in the Arctic.

  7. Re:They have to by Biolo · · Score: 3, Informative

    UltraSPARC not 64 bit? Since when? We have Ultra1 machines running Solaris in 64 bit mode. SPARC was 32 bit, UltraSPARC is 64!

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    Stealing a rhinoceros should not be attempted lightly.
  8. Re:who's dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Solaris 1 (SunOS 4.*): BSD, dead
    Solaris 2 (SunOS 5.*): SysV

    Nice try.

  9. Sun will exit the hardware side of systems market. by reporter · · Score: 1, Informative
    Sun Microsystems (SUNW) is being rapidly forced off the desktop. SUNW has no intention of hanging around in the workstation market because SUNW does not make a competitive product. Athlon64 and Prescott have and will, respectively, lockup the workstation market. PowerPC970 (in G5) is the wild card and can capture a nice 20+% of the market if Steve Jobs were not so clueless.

    Now, SUNW is conceding the market for high-end servers.

    SUNW recently purchased Afara. It supplies processors for low-end servers. SUNW will still try to maintain a presence there. Unfortunately, with the SPARC64 going to 4 cores per die and 2 threads per core, the processor from Afara is starting to look less and less competitive. SUNW will exit the market for even low-end servers by 2007.

    The announcement of Power5, with its SMT capabilities, is tantamount to announcing a starship for intergalatic space travel when all the spacecraft in the Federation can only travel within the solar system. Power5 and, to a lesser extent, SPARC64 basically killed the UltraSPARC line and the entire hardware business of the Sun Microsystems.

    By the way, Professor Susan Eggers of the University of Washington must be tickled pink because she development most of the technology for simultaneous multithreading. IBM, with its Power5, proved that her ideas were all right. The Draper prize in engineering should be going her way.

    ... from the desk of the reporter