Apple Posts Server Command-Line and JBoss Manuals

critterboy writes "Apple today posted copies of the Mac OS X Server version 10.3 Command-Line Administration and Java Application Server documentation for both JBoss, Tomcat and WebObjects."

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NSController

[Nutcase]

Apparently there are new classes in Panther called NSController that are funky and cool coding goodness... but they are all NDAd or something, so I can't find any info on them yet. Wonder when they will post that documentation. Hmm.

Re:NSController

[kwerle]

Google first hit:
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?NSControlle r

Come on, people...

Re:NSController

[Nutcase]

Hey wow.. that link is to a page i've already read which basically says "Hey, there's something New called NSController but it's NDAd so theres no documentation. Can anyone share?" There is also some info at the new cocoabb that has the same basic "NDAd sorry" info. In fact, cocoabb got me to google for it, hence me having already read that page.

Thanks for the attempted (and failed) mockery. Next time try reading your links before you stake your credibility on them.

Anyone out there have a link to some real, fleshed out information?

Re:NSController

[Anonymous Coward]

Attention, shithead:

1. The only people who know anything are Apple developers. We are all under signed NDA until 8:00 PM local time tonight. Stop bugging us.

2. The documentation for NSController is included on the XCode Tools CD in the Panther package. Wait until 8:00 in your local time zone, then go buy Panther, then read it.

That is all.

Re:NSController

[Anonymous Coward]

prick.

Re:NSController

[kwerle]

So, a few quotes: ...so I can't find any info on them yet...

Google first hit:
It seems to be an InterfaceBuilder-integration component; you can create various "controller" objects in IB and form various bindings/glue that would previously have had to be done programmatically. Apparently, this is resurrected functionality from EnterpriseObjectsFramework... ...NSController seems to be a bridge that plugs the M into the V of MVC. EG, its a C of MVC that automagically has tables filled from arrays, etc.

I'd say that's more than "no info".

Re:NSController

[Nutcase]

Touche.

It isnt much for /how/ it works or how it's implemented or how you code it, etc. But it sure makes for a nice description of what it is... enough to make me salivate anyway. My apologies if I was overly harsh previously.

Re:NSController

[tyrione]

NSController is nothing new.

The framework may have been extended and should have since Openstep to Rhapsody to OS X 10.0 to Panther.

That is the evolution of such frameworks.

It first was NXController back in the NeXTStep 3.3 and prior days, by the way.

Re:NSController

[jcr]

NSController and Cocoa bindings aren't under NDA anymore, so...

NeXT old-timers will recognize bindings as similar in concept to the EOInterface portion of the Enterprise Objects Framework. Basically, what NSController does is greatly reduce the amount of "glue code" you need to attach user interface objects to the objects in your model.

There's quite a bit of documentation on this with the XCode tools. Open XCode, go to the Cocoa documentation, and read the "Controller Layer" topic.

-jcr

Aqua X Logo

[Anonymous Coward]

shouldn't /. switch the blue "aqua" X logo to the new brushed-metal "panther" logo? panther's out tonight, you know.

Re:Aqua X Logo

[Gropo]

Here's a nice copyright-free panther-X within the slashtopicon proportions...

Re:Aqua X Logo

[Anonymous Coward]

Here's a nice copyright-free panther-X

Huh? There's nothing copyright-free about it. Everything is copyrighted. But more importantly, it's a trademark of Apple Computer.

Re:Aqua X Logo

[Anonymous Coward]

When one downloads graphic press materials from apple.com one needs to click on an agreement, one of the stipulations being a "You may not alter, or modify the Image, in whole or in part, for any reason." clause.

To shrink and strip away unwanted elements would be to directly violate said agreement. The linked graphic was not created by Apple, while it certainly resembles the trademark.

Good update

[Anonymous Coward]

NSController is cool and all,
IIRC that was introduced in 10.2.7 (Jaguar).
Go figure... Anyways, the new docs are truly
Great. This is sweet for all of us
Enterprise users. Just out of curiousity, does the
Recent switch from tsch to bash have to do with the
!command-line admin update?

Re:Good update

[gerardrj]

The switch to a different default shell in the terminal application has nothing to do with any shell commands that are included for administration of the computer.

Any shell program/script that is written by anyone who knows anything about writing shells programs/scripts will contain a shebang as the first line. The syntax look like this:
#!/bin/sh
This specially formatted line tells the OS what program (in that case the "sh" shell) will be able to interpret this file properly. No matter what the "default" shell is, no matter what shell you are actually running when you type the command name, the program will be run with the shell specified in that line.
Ex: most perl programs have #!/usr/bin/perl or #!/usr/local/bin/perl

For the Mac savvy this is really equivilant to the "creator" field in a file's meta information.

Re:Good update

[Anonymous Coward]

Nigger? Very sneaky...

Re:Good update

[Anonymous Coward]

Curses! You found it! Shhhhhh!!!

Re:Good update

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod down, this comment is formatted to display racist slang down vertically (look at the first letter of each line).

Re:Good update

[Anonymous Coward]

The troll profession is a competitive one. I hate to bring a brother down, but I must do it so as to secure my own future as a troll.

Re:Good update

[javax]

come on, that should be
#!/usr/bin/env perl

Re:Good update

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuck you, Nigger!

Re:Good update

[Anonymous Coward]

Well done. Some positive moderation, took a few hours before anyone pointed it out.

JBoss and J2EE

[iJed]

It seems that JBoss and J2EE are available as standard on Panther Server. If I remember correctly then this was not the case with Jag Server.

Re:JBoss and J2EE

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, they are standard now and well integrated for WebObjects. It couldn't be any nicer.

cool, good CLI centralization + GUI tools

[danigiri]

Geez, cheking out that CLI admin document. Pretty extensive and hands-on.

Starts up with basic commands (ssh and the like), giving way to more in-depth info, XML configuration files, etc.

There seems to be some sort of centralized group of commands. For instance, there is the 'systemsetup' command, that handles a plethora of tasks: energy saver, time, sleep-wakeup, languages, startup... That might be helpful and a cool deviation from the traditional make-changes-in-many-places syndrome that has plagued UNIX and the like for years.

OTOH, there's a nice review of Panther Server with cool screenshots on Maccentral.

Best line

[gerardrj]

For the time being, Apple will ship the Xserve with Jaguar Server and Panther Server for those organizations that need a bit more time before they upgrade.


Apple isn't asking them to make a choice, they're saying "If you use Jaguar server now, keep using it, but here's a copy of Panther server so yo can upgrade to it when you're ready."

Could you ever imagine Microsoft allowing Dell, HP or Compaq to ship 2000 and XP on the same order just in case the customer was using 2000 and didn't want to upgrade to XP yet?

Re:Best line

[rthille]

I imagine so. I imagine that Microsoft would jump for joy if Dell, HP/Compaq and whatnot shipped both Win2K and XP on all their hardware.

The difference being that Dell, HP, etc, would have to buy both copies, and would like as not pass the costs on to the consumer/businness.

Re:Best line

[sid crimson]

I have purchased dozens of Compaqs (just before the HP merger was all set) and they came with 2000 and XP installed.

Before that, I purchased dozens that had NT4 and 2000 as options.

YOu can only choose one (no dual boot), but that seems to answer your question. :-)

-sid

Re:Best line

[bill_mcgonigle]

YOu can only choose one (no dual boot), but that seems to answer your question.

Quite right - a difference would be that if you choose NT, 2K gets wiped, so there's no future upgrade. I'm assuming Apple ships CD's for both.

Re:Best line

[wchin]

I know that Compaq shipped some iPaqs with both Windows NT and Windows 2000... you chose which you wanted during startup and it would nuke the other. You can change your mind later by running the software restore disk.

What I want is a revised Xserve!
Dual power supplies optional, ECC memory, and G5's.

Re:Best line

[sid crimson]

Quite right - a difference would be that if you choose NT, 2K gets wiped, so there's no future upgrade. I'm assuming Apple ships CD's for both.

Hrm. I'm not sure about that.

When it came time to get Windows 2000 on the NT4 boxen, I plugged in the restore CDs and I was off and running with Windows 2000.

The Restore CDs ask which OS to install. The nice little sticker on the side of the case has keys for both.

I suppose it's possible I've broken a rule somewhere.

-sid

Apple server problems

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I have recently upgraded from a Mac 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM to a new G5 dual 2GHz with AGP 8X and PCI-X to help me at my freelance gig where I copy a 17 Meg jpeg file of a naked and petrified natalie portman in a bowl of hot grits
from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. On the G5 I spent about 20 minutes trying to install Adobe Arcobat 6. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, my iPod will not work. iTunes has ground to a halt. Even Safari is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8MB of ram running MS Windows NT4 that has the SoBig and Blaster virus runs faster than this G5 dual 2GHz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

WebObjects?

[stefaanh]

I'm sorry, but i did not find "WebObjects" mentioned once in the two relevant PDF's. The only thing is that the JBoss Admin app is a WO App, given the .woa in the url of the webbased program. I'd expect seamless JBoss integration, but seamless WebObjects integration?

"Xserve and WebObjects Power iTunes Music Store" writes Jim Dalrymple on MacCentral. "Apple based the store on Mac OS X Server and Web Objects 5.2 using Xserves and Xserve RAIDs to store the more than 200,000 songs available to the public." [Jun 03 2003]

So Apple or webobjects developers, fill us in. What ever happened to the the XServe serving the iTunes Music store running WebObjects?
Any future FileMaker lookalike plans?

WebObjects Inc. ?

Wow! This is great!

[csoto]

Proof that if you beat a dead horse often enough, it just might get off its fat rump and do something for you! How long and how often have we bitched and moaned about Apple docs?

Re:Wow! This is great!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, that's it. Apple published over two thousand pages of documentation because you complained on Slashdot. That's exactly what happened.

In other news, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus are getting married at the Easter Bunny's Malibu beach house. Film at eleven.

Lamebrain.

Re:Wow! This is great!

[csoto]

It is the "colloquial WE," I'm referring to, numbnuts. As in "people who support Mac OS X in the enterprise." Now, go away, you miserable waste of carbon...

DeviceSupport.drprofile anybody?

[bill_mcgonigle]

Speaking of Panther CLI, has anybody had luck editing the DeviceSupport.drprofile to add unsupported optical burners? (like PatchBurn for 10.2). The XML is fairly self-documenting, but it seems to need to be compiled or something as the changes I make aren't picked up.

drtool is neat, and seems to do everything else for DiscRecording, but not this.

Buler?

What are these?

[WalletBoy]

OK, I'm not a Java fanatic so I have no idea what these things are. What the heck is JBoss and what is it's supposed advantage?

Re:What are these?

[agent dero]

Google

That's what you're looking for, this is /. ;)

Re:What are these?

[tb3]

JBoss is an Open Source J2EE Application Server, that directly competes with the expensive offerings from BEA (WebLogic) and IBM (WebSphere) to name the top two.

JBoss has had a hard time getting Sun certification as J2EE compliant, but now that it has been certified, OS X Server 10.3 + JBoss + Apple's Server Tools should make the XServe rather attractive to J2EE shops.

Here is a complete hardware solution, for less than the cost of a Weblogic licence!

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Question

[Anonymous Coward]

I've been a mac user for a long time, what is a command-line?

One time choice.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's supposed to be a one-time choice.

That don't change just because the restore CDs let you break that part of the EULA.

JBoss Documentation?

[Anonymous Coward]

Will the JBoss team be pleased when they get wind that Apple is releasing documentation for JBoss?
If I remember correctly, the server is free, but they earn money with the documentation. Are there any legal problems here that might arise?

NSController docs at Apple

[hayne]

Have a look at Apple's Developer docs on NSController

It is fully explained there, complete with examples.