Citing Polluting Vehicles Using Roadside Sensors

Makarand writes "A regional southern Californian law will soon allow installation of roadside sensors to measure pollutants from tailpipes as vehicles accelerate. The sensors would then activate a camera to photograph the license plates of vehicles whose emissions are too high and the owner would be notified to bring his vehicle for a smog check. This would ensure that if a vehicle has developed a problem and become a polluter, the owner cannot wait till the next smog check date to fix the problem. The plan is to have these sensors in place by year 2010. As of now, the state depends on the mandatory vehicle smog checks and the Highway Patrol and travelers to report smoking vehicles."

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Re:Gotta Love that Government!

[BitGeek]

The government doesn't have the right because the constitution does not give them that right.

While the constitution covers the federal government, the states constitutions are generrally modeled after the federal one and most of them don't give the government that right either.

As to government owned roads-- that's bullshit-- they decreed themselves the monopolists of roads. We didn't consent to them owning them. And like all nationalized services they provide crappy service at a high price (like the post office.)

As to dumping toxic waste, if you did it at a rate that did not damage my property at all-- eg: you simply idled your car for 10 minutes in the mornings before going to work, no I wouldn't have a problem with it.

You guys are so out of touch with the science of the environment its not funny.... and you work to OPPOSE improvements ot the environemtn because of it! Just look at the devastation the "nature conservancy" brought to palmyra. What a joke.

As to the government having default rihgts-- you really oppose human rights don't you? Humans have rights. The government, by default, has NONE. And the only rights it can legitimately have are hte ones humans consent to giving it. And not the majority-- the unanimity.

More persecution of the poor.

[BitGeek]

Thanks to Liberal governemnt we get even more poverty and persecution of those who already are poor.

Who's going to get caught by this? People driving clunkers, of course.

And what happens when you drive by a sensor 5 times a week and it sends you 5 citations at $50 or $100 a pop?

You can't afford to pay them.

And what happens when you can't afford to pay them? They sieze your car. OR you do pay them, selling your clunker to barely cover the $500.

Now you can't get to work.

So what happens? You are back in that hole that is very difficult to get out of.

Course the sensor cant tell one car from another so people will get charged constantly for the same car... actually 10 times a week, I forgot they'd be cited on the way home as well.

Gotta love that government-- persecution with a smile!

And you liberals fancy yourselves the benefactors of the poor! (Which is ironic because your policies have demonstrably increased poverty in this country) But yet another instance here you make poor people poorer and do NOTHING for the environment!

Here's a clue for the clueless-- the vast majority of environmental polution comes from the government--which operates without review-- not from individuals, and certainly not from cars.

But this isn't about the environement anyway-- this is about persecuting the poor. You just can't come right out and admit it. ITs bad enough you took away half their jobs iwth the minimum wage laws (which cuts unemployement and kills jobs) and unionization and your massive tax burden (which is regressive as all hell). No, then you had to go and waste the money that is collected by those taxes and bullshit programs like the drug war, and pouring money down the sinkhole that is public schools -- where its common to pay teachers for decades after they've died, as was recently discovered again in New Orleans.

No, much easier to claim its for the environemnt.

But you're not fooling anyone with a basic understanding of economics.

Re:More persecution of the poor.

[BitGeek]

I might just do that, unfortunately, governent is a disease that has spread world wide... and the government here attacks places that don't conform to its wishes.

When you start respecting human rights, you'll hate the government as well.

At any rate, I have the right to be here. The government which has forsaken the constitution is illegitimate and should be shut down.

I have the moral high ground here.

Re:More persecution of the poor.

[BitGeek]

Sigh... go take an economics class sometime. Or read "Economics in one lesson" by Henry Hazlit. ITs short enough that you can get thru it.

IF you're bashing republicans, you haven't even begun to get a clue yet-- there is no difference between the republicans and the democrats. Both are socialist parties.

Liberals, however, have a particular affinity ofr persecuting the poor. Every liberal program out there causes poverty.

You just are so ignorant of economics that you blithely keep supporting them.

Re:Gotta Love that Government!

[BitGeek]

Of course you doubt they could-- you have the undying faith in the government our socialist system indoctrinated you into having.

And so you do nothing, while you're right to have that letter delivered in 2 days instead of 10, for only $0.12 is usurped.

Furthermore, the argument can't be made that without the government doing it it wouldn't have gotten done--when the government took over this service and pushed everyone out, there were people already providing the service.

The reason the government took it over was to control what was said! TO prevent people from sending political mail the government didn't agree with! They don't do this anymore, but that was the reason we have the US Postal Service.

Read "No Treason" by Lysander Spooner if you want to know why the US Postal service is unconstitutional... and it will give you a good perspective on teh constitution in general.

Re:RTFA

[BitGeek]

Hey idiot-- I'm assuming the vehicles are not going to pass... and so they get all these citations.

DOesn't matter if they only get one a week, they still can't afford to pay it, and so its persecution of the poor.