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Panther Released into the Wild

u2fan00 writes "Those fortunate enough to have an Apple Store near them were in for a treat last night -- crowds! Oh, and also Panther. Check out the local reactions, photos and stories from some stores across the nation."

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  1. Avoided the whole problem, personally by Malor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Geeze. I saw the crowd last year at Lenox Mall in Atlanta for the Jaguar release, so I cleverly waited one entire day.

    The Lenox Mall Apple store is a bit of a drive, so I went to the Micro Center not far from where I live. They're sort of a baby Fry's, but more expensive and nowhere near as good. This is, unfortunately, the South, and you take what you can get here. It beats Bosnia.

    I walked into the Apple department, grabbed a copy of Panther, and asked if I needed to ring it up there or if I could keep shopping. The salesman put a sticker on it and told me to buy it up front, and then tossed a couple of freebies on the pile... a mousepad and a 64MB USB flash drive.

    So I got a much shorter drive, no parking hassles, and a free USB drive in exchange for waiting a day. Calling this a no-brainer seems an understatement.

    No impressions yet, I'm backing up before installing. Ok, one impression: the box is cool. Big silver X on a black background. Box upgrades are very important, you know. :-)

  2. Silly Apple stores... by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... don't give educational discounts. You have to order online for that. So if you're a student, don't go trucking out to the store... you can't get it for $70 there.

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    1. Re:Silly Apple stores... by cliffy2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      They give educational discounts on hardware, but not OSes. I got my PBG4 at Roosevelt Field and got the full edu discount.

    2. Re:Silly Apple stores... by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, you can buy it online from the Apple Store using one of the demo machines in the phyical Apple Store at the edu price, then they'll give you a box to walk out with. My friend did this after the staff at the store suggested it to him.

    3. Re:Silly Apple stores... by KoNfUzEd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, you're wrong. I have bought items WITH my educational discount at the Apple Store (Lenox in Atlanta) several times. You simply tell them you're in education and present your student/faculty/staff ID for them to copy.

      Very simple, if you just ask.

  3. AirPort Difficulties and Control-D by Llywelyn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some people with in-house AirPort networks have run into difficulties after installing panther. If this is happening to you, Apple has already given a workaround here.

    Also, Control-d now selects the dock and allows for keyboard navigation rather than getting sent to the app you want it to be sent to (such as terminal). I haven't figured out how to turn this off, but you can work around it by using the option key in addition to the control key (so Control-Option-d instead of just Control-d).

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  4. Re:Quick questions directed at Mac users. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    John Carmack writes very, very portable code. You should have no trouble moving to panther for your dev work. However:

    Are there any good tutorial sites for gamers like myself who want to switch ?

    Note that you WILL NOT be using your mac to play games. The games support just isn't there. You can play a small, random, usually not terribly good selection of the games that were released for the PC six months to a year ago. As a developer, your mac will make you extremely happy. As a gamer it will not.

  5. Heads up for unix types by mwillis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Panther is cool; I like "Expose" pretty well.

    For those unix types I have two issues so far:

    1) the cocoa version of emacs I was using is broken by panther

    2) the version of x11 I downloaded from apple is not automatically updated. You must update it manually from disc 3. Note that the old one is broken by panther.

    I also needed to reinstall Microsoft Office X, but it is working fine now.

    1. Re:Heads up for unix types by Llywelyn · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a note, you can have it install X11 automatically by pressing the "Customize" button while setting up the install. Its one of the options there.

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  6. Re:do a clean install or an archive install by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think it might be tied to how many upgrades people have done.

    all I know is that the only people having trouble are those who did the upgrade.

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  7. Developer tools included in the box! by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Informative

    Included in the box (what a cool black box it is, too!) is a development environment CD (compilers, APIs, SDKs, and the xcode IDE).

    I'm happy to see Apple still giving the development tools away for free.

  8. best part - Xcode included in the box!! by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Max OS X Panther 10.3 box includes 4 CDs... three for 10.3 and it's accessories (keep in mind these three CDs include localizations for 12 languages)... and a development environment CD containing compilers, various SDKs, and the feature-filled xCode IDE.

    It's a bit alien to those not used to the NeXT way, but it only took my roommate about 15 minutes to find his way around. Both of us have already converted most of our projects to xCode.

  9. new life into iBook 500 by jpellino · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gotta say I was drooling when they announced the G4 iBooks, lamenting my Applecare isn't up til May, but this has breathed new life into my iBook 500. I backed up to Peerless (hush - they were $50 EOL) and did an upgrade install - no problems so far. Given the backup, I may backup again now and do an erase install...

    Everything is much faster. Mail.app has to reindex, Preview will now be my pdf viewer, and the calculator actually remembers which mode you quit it in. Sorry I paid for Koalacalc. The network panel is informative and rather than a clicking party.

    Only drawback is without Quartz Extreme my Expose is doing about 3 fps, but it still does what's needed.

    Only grip is that the new finder windows w/o toolbars have a very subtle facing - then you enable the new finder windows in full regalia, and they get the old brushed metal, which looks rough in comparison.

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  10. Upgrades not as bad as they say by mookie-blaylock · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've upgraded every time since 10.1, hitting all the revisions in between. I did an upgrade install with Jag and did one again on Panther. Not a problem; everything's working fine.

    The people who seem to have problems with upgrades are the ones who install all that unsanity haxie garbage. At least, that seems to be a common denominator among most troubled upgrades.

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    1. Re:Upgrades not as bad as they say by 11223 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Unsanity's haxies do /not/ affect anything like this. If you update your version of APE and of the haxies, you will have no issues. They do not install kexts, like Ambrosia's WireTap, nor do they spew other software around the filesystem.

      I'm sorry, but you need to find a new scapegoat.

  11. Re:Upgrade version VS full version by Jord · · Score: 3, Informative
    There are no "upgrade" versions of Mac OS X. Unless you are a government employee or student/teacher everyone pays the same price.

    Maybe your thinking of a windows upgrade?

  12. Panther is fabulous. Finally. by melatonin · · Score: 5, Informative
    Finally. I bought a G4/733 (the first 733s... the ones that have 1MB L3 cache) a few years ago, and it arrived right when 10.0 came out. And naturally I used 10.0 on it never getting used to how fast OS 9 was on it. Coming from a 400 MHz G3, I never got to really feel how fast this Mac was.

    After using 10.0 for a few months, my mind started melting away and Apple released 10.1. Yay.

    After using 10.1 for almost a year, my sanity for a sane user experience started wearing thin. Finally Apple released 10.2, which was also much snappier. And it was something to rival OS 9 in a give-or-take competition for usability vs. stability, with Jaguar clearly winning.

    But Panther just blows the doors off of.., um, not sure which doors I'm talking about. Let's put it this way in terms of performance. I used xbench to measure before and after the upgrade.

    10.2.8 scores
    CPU: 65.14
    Thread Test: 35.3
    Memory: 63.7
    Quartz: 66
    OpenGL: 60.5
    UI (aqua controls): 57.87 (18.51 refresh/sec)

    10.3.0 scores
    CPU: 78.87
    Thread Test: 60.95
    Memory: 103.96
    Quartz: 102.62
    OpenGL: 78.6
    UI (aqua controls): 141.58 (45.54 refresh/sec)

    Totals:
    10.2: 57.75
    10.3: 85.19

    Yes, HOLY CRAP this Mac is faster! My Q3A framerate jumped 15 fps (using the Q3 G4 beta). And the UI experience is much much smoother now, really the way OS X should be. Most notably, sheets and other window animation is VERY fast, and they now properly supplement the user experience, instead of just being eye candy. The Dock still sucks, but you can finally hide apps from the Dock contextual menu.

    So, if you're sitting on the fence, jump off. If you thought Macs were slow, they just got a bit faster.

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  13. RE: playing games on your Mac - sure you will! by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Umm.... I would hardly describe the current Mac game situartion as "a small, random, usually not terribly good selection"!

    Let's see.... Unreal Tournament 2003, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 and 4, Wolfenstein 3D, Quake 3 Arena, Kelly Slater Pro Surfer, Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf from EA Sports, Warcraft 3 + Frozen Throne expansion set, Warrior Kings, Stronghold, Dungeon Seige, Age of Mythology, Age of Empires 2, Halo (due out before Xmas), James Bond: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way, Medal of Honor + expansion pack, Jedi Knight II, Soldier of Fortune II..... not to mention some really teriffic stuff put out by the little guys/shareware authors, like Enigmo.

    I'd say things in the Mac gaming world are looking better now than they have in years - and it damn sure looks better than my Linux gaming selection. No, they still don't have anywhere near the number of titles available for the PC, but so many PC titles are a waste of money. It seems to me they only take the time to port the "cream of the crop" of what's already out for PC, and that's fine with me. Unless you pirate everything, you're not really going to be able to buy all the new game titles they crank out for the PC, anyway.

    (Well, I could live without that port of Bloodrayne for the Mac, but hey - I've seen worse....)