Darwin 7.0 Released

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Posted by timothy on Saturday October 25, 2003 @11:22AM from the evolving-cats dept.

Trollaxor writes "The source code to Darwin 7.0, corresponding to the lower levels of Panther, is free for download less than 24 hours after the new Mac OS X v10.3 release! Check out the Darwin FAQ and the Darwin Q & A to get acquainted with this Open Source BSD operating system."

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Fast by Luzumsuz+Lazim · 2003-10-25 11:35 · Score: 1

Good work!
Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by Creepy+Crawler · 2003-10-25 11:42 · Score: 1, Troll

I cant believe Trollaxor got an article ;-) Goes to show that trolls are listened to when there's an article.

ObOntarget: So, is there any interesting tidbits in Darwin that's not in Linux? Or is it bragging rights of Apple?
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1. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by csoto · 2003-10-25 11:50 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Not so much bragging rights as an effort to keep the Apple Public Source License above the fray. It's a "quasi-free" license (as in "free speech"), but still "kind of proprietary." By giving up the "free" stuff almost in sync with the "$129 stuff," they're saying they truly believe in open source software.
  
  (sort of :)
  
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2. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-25 11:54 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Actually, the Apple Public Source License (APSL) has been Open Source since version 1.1 and considered Free by the Free Software Foundation since version 2.0.
3. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by sakusha · 2003-10-25 15:17 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Sure, there's lots of goodies in Darwin that aren't in Linux. The most significant is Darwin Streaming Server, a/k/a QuickTime Streaming Server, which Apple has generously given back to the Open Source community. It's been ported to RedHat and other platforms since the first release of the source.
  
  But more importantly, Darwin gives everyone access to the low level internals of OS X. I've seen several bug fixes come from Darwin coders and incorporated back to the main codestream. For example, in the early days of OS X, the SCSI code was broken so ElGato rewrote the SCSI kext and released it for free, giving guys like ME with legacy SCSI hardware a solution, until Apple could incorporate that fix into the next release. This may sound like it's just a way for Apple to capitalize on the work of the Open Source coders, but it's significant in that you don't have to wait for Apple to fix bugs. And isn't that supposed to be one of the big advantages of OSS?
4. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by csoto · 2003-10-25 15:30 · Score: 0
  
  Yes. Apple's efforts to co-release Darwin with X are part of their commitment to improve their "open sourceitivity" (to paraphrase da Shrub).
  
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5. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by op00to · 2003-10-26 01:53 · Score: 0, Flamebait
  
  ... so you're saying that the "lots of goodies in Darwin that aren't in Linux" consist of one crappy proprietary turned open streaming media server which really is useful only if you've got their proprietary media player or mplayer for linux...which was ported to Red Hat.....
  
  Right.
  
  Why should anyone care?
6. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by sakusha · 2003-10-26 02:05 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Dear Mr. Troll:
  DSS also supports nonQT formats like MP3 and MP4, and can run on QT for Java and other nonproprietary clients. You should only care if:
  1. You're in the business of producing and transmitting media.
  2. You're a Linux bigot that is jealous you don't have this capability.
7. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by op00to · 2003-10-26 10:52 · Score: 1
  
  Dear Mr. I don't know how to read:
  I was merely pointing out the contradiction in the parent's statement.
  
  Let me highlight the contradictory statements:
  Sure, there's lots of goodies in Darwin that aren't in Linux. The most significant is Darwin Streaming Server, a/k/a QuickTime Streaming Server, which Apple has generously given back to the Open Source community. It's been ported to RedHat and other platforms since the first release of the source.
  
  I basically said the following:
  Ok, so there's this proprietary format streaming server that can also stream mp3's. But it's available for Red Hat Linux.
  
  So, I ask you, how can something which is available for Red Hat Linux be considered not "in Linux"? Surely, the parent didn't mean only in the kernel.
8. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by sakusha · 2003-10-26 12:21 · Score: 1
  
  Dear Mr. Deliberately-Obtuse Troll:
  QTSS is not part of any Linux distro. At this time, QTSS 4.52 is not available for any platform but Darwin and MacOS X. Older versions are not part of any distro. Therefore, it is not "in Linux."
9. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by op00to · 2003-10-27 02:22 · Score: 1
  
  The latest version I could find source code for is 4.1.3. Boo hoo, I'm off by a few versions. Let me go install this on my LINUX BOX.
  
  Releases: Streaming Server 4.1.3
  
  * Mac OS X, v10.1.3 and later (server and proxy)
  * Red Hat Linux 7.x (server and proxy)
  * Solaris 8 (server and proxy)
  * Windows NT Server/Windows 2000 Server (server)
10. Re:Heh Heeeh heheehhheehee by Tisephone · 2003-10-27 15:14 · Score: 1
  
  I could have sworn the real deal was "Trollax0r".
  
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Re:OSX on x86? by TeknoTurd · 2003-10-25 15:36 · Score: 0

no, if it were only that easy...

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Re:Who do GNU/Darwin think they are? by falcon5768 · 2003-10-25 16:47 · Score: 3, Insightful

And to be totally truthfull a) Apple is a hardware company NOT a software one. They have been getting more and more into the software biz these days, but they have always been a hardware company that makes the OS for their systems, much like higher end server companies make tailor or even make OS's for their boxes. b) There where Power PC clones, Infact my first mac wass a powerbase 180 made by PowerComputing which was one of the best ones out there, but at the time it killed Apples sales and put them even more in the red than before., plus while the quality off some was great, mush better than Apples (best feature of mine, ability to use serial AND PS/2 mice and keyboards and Apple and PC VGA conectivity without using an adapter), some where horror shows on line with most second rate PC manufacturers and really brought down the macintosh's quality.
Job's not being stupid and needing to fix all the red left from before, killed the clones that sucked and bought out the ones that where great so he could have those people on staff for him (which is why Apple has all the tech support documents for Power Computing still on their servers in support). It was that along with killing the projects sucking away money without showing anything for it (newton, which I still love and still use my eMate, and the old Apple server department, the ones that used IBM Unix in them) and the releace of the G3/iMac that saved the company and allowed him to do the big change, which was recoding the old NeXt OS, what we now know as OSX.

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Re:Who do GNU/Darwin think they are? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-25 17:17 · Score: 0

How come dyslexics always write these long articles no one can understand?
Re:Who do GNU/Darwin think they are? by phatsharpie · 2003-10-25 18:31 · Score: 1

> Where the hell do you think Microsoft made it's money? On making PC's???

By screwing over all of its business partners (IBM, Sybase, etc.) and abusing its monopoly.
Re:Who do GNU/Darwin think they are? by falcon5768 · 2003-10-26 11:59 · Score: 1

wh we are just speaking to the trolls, we can be happy in knowing we have a knowlage of the computer industry the 13 year olds lack (sorry to any 13 year olds who are nice and considerate of posters on /.)

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What is Apple doing? by ziggyboy · 2003-10-26 15:13 · Score: 0

What does Darwin hope to accomplish? It also seems that the development for Darwin is seperate for OpenDarwin. Are there any open source developers for Darwin? What about the OpenDarwin people, does Apple let them contribute to Darwin development (the one bundled with OS X)?

Doesn't seem like it. Apple released the source AFTER 7.0 was finished. Which means the open source community wasn't in on its final development. Why would dedicated open source programmers of systems like Linux or *BSD contribute to this semi-open source system????

And here's an interesting line from the OpenDarwin x86 release notes. I wonder why anyone would bother to develop Darwin for Intel machines.

Known Issues
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* IDE drives may not work on x86. Try it, if it doesn't work, it's a known problem.

Haha.