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Athlon 64 Motherboard Triple Threat Round-Up
SpinnerBait writes "Soon after AMD released the Athlon 64 to the public, eager motherboard
manufacturers unveiled their latest motherboards for AMD's new baby. Some are
offering basic packages that boast features and performance, yet forgo the
extras found in premium bundles. Other manufacturers are offering snazzy new
packages with all kinds of extras and unique features. The only thing left to do
is decide which one is for you. HotHardware has an
article posted up, that
showcases and benchmarks three top Athlon 64 motherboards, from Asus, MSI and
Shuttle. These boards are looking more refined every day."
What ever happened with the exploding motherboards?
1. Why are all three "64bit" boards limited to 4GB of memory?
2. Why are they being evaluated solely with 32bit applications/operating systems? Can't we at least get a kernel compile time benchmark? RedHat's RHEL3 has a free set of beta iso's available for AMD64 so there really wasn't a good excuse for not finding out how well they perform in their native mode.
3. What was the reason for the reviewer's obsession with having six-channel audio as analog outputs without a dongle? Isn't that what SPID-F plugs are for?
4. Since Linux is currently the ONLY supported OS for AMD64 in native mode, information about how well the boards are supported driver wise would have been helpful.
Democrat delenda est
Can't they leave off the serial/parallel and ps2 ports? Removing the floppy connector, ata-133 and on-board audio would be great. They're totally unneccessary in this day and age for me, probably many others too. For those who need them, they should be an option. Even Abit's KV8-MAX3 has ps2 ports, which is a shame.
I'd probably drool and swipe the credit card if I could get an A64 board with 8 DDR slots, PCI Express, dual Gb LAN, 8 usb2 ports and 4 FW800 ports on the backpanel. 8 SATA connectors would sweeten the deal.
"Why do you consent to live in ignorance and fear?" - Bad Religion
Cray Picks AMD Chips for New Line
Red Storm System to Offer Supercomputer's Speed
And Low-Cost Components
By DON CLARK
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Cray Inc., which pioneered the market for supercomputers, hopes to blaze another trail with machines based on a new line of microprocessor chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
The Seattle company developed the technology under a $90 million contract with Sandia National Laboratory in New Mexico, which is installing a system dubbed Red Storm that will be one of the most powerful in the world. Cray plans to announce Monday that it also will sell systems based on the Red Storm technology to other customers.
Cray's plans have spurred interest in the scientific community, because the company is addressing a technical bottleneck that has prevented systems based on inexpensive components to be applied to the most demanding computing tasks.
"This is an exciting development," said Horst Simon, director of the National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center in Berkeley, Calif. The center, which provides computing resources for research funded by the U.S. Department of Energy, may consider the Cray machines for its own future requirements, Mr. Simon said. "This type of technology is the correct approach to the current issues in high-performance computing," he said.
The term supercomputer is generally applied to the largest machines available, which are typically constructed from hundreds of microprocessor chips. Cray, the successor to a company formed by the late computer designer Seymour Cray, is known for augmenting those chips with proprietary circuitry that allows the chips to exchange data at very high speed. It sells a machine called X1 that uses a custom-designed microprocessor along with its communications chips.
Another approach, stressing low price over speed, uses standard chips from Intel Corp. or AMD along with circuit boards that are similar to those in personal computers or low-end server systems. Such low-price machines, called clusters, often use the free Linux operating system, further reducing costs.
But clusters aren't suited for some kinds of challenging tasks, because of delays in passing data among the many microprocessors. Wayne Kugel, Cray's program director for the Red Storm project, compares the problem to planning housing and transportation. "The more houses you add near the freeway, the more of a bottleneck you get," he said.
The Red Storm system combines the speed of proprietary supercomputers with low-cost components found in clusters. Cray says it designed communications chips that exchange data at close to the peak speed of AMD's Opteron microprocessor, or 6.4 billion bytes a second. That is about 20 times the speed of connections often used with clusters. The company hasn't set pricing or a precise delivery date, but expects to begin selling the system next year.
Cray's plans are good news for AMD, which is a much smaller player in server systems than rival Intel. But AMD is making some progress with Opteron, which was introduced last spring and competes with a high-end chip called Itanium 2 that Intel has been selling for high-end applications.
Oct 27.
Here's an (abbreviated) article (German!): http://www.heise.de/ct/03/22/146/
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You don't seem to understand. More features = higher cost.
The Athlon 64 does not have dual memory controllers, and the typical maxiumum per controller is 4 DIMMS, 3 with performance memory ( 166 DDR ), or 2 with high-performance ( 200 DDR ).
So, to begin with, YOU WANT a chip with dual memory controllers so you can easily break the 2GB ram barrier. This is going to cost you.
Second, dual memory controllers means a SECOND memory bus, which means the complexity of the board goes up ( more traces, possibly more layers ). They also aren't going to sell as many high-specced boards, so they have to price these higher to turn a profit on the production run.
Finally, in order to APPEAL TO PROFESSIONALS, these boards have fancy PROFESSIONAL features lkike PCI-X and Gig Ethernet, just to name a few. The whole board is also designed to pass more rigorous stability testing than your average POS $99 motherboard.
So let's see, you want AMD to GIVE AWAY their highest-performance feature ( dual memory controllers ), AND you want motherboard makers to build a no-frills professional board that lacks the features and tolerances that most customers expect.
YOU ARE NUTS.
Face it, anyone who needs 8GB of memory TODAY is a PROFESSIONAL and CUTTING-EDGE, so far as the workstation market is concerned. You can get a mainstream 8GB machine powered by AMD, Intel, SGI, Sun, IBM, etc, but you will pay through the nose for it.
If you need the power, then pay for it. Otherwise, compromise, or wait until the technology filters down.
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