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The Problem With Abundance

GRW writes "Peter de Jager, "a speaker/writer/consultant on the issues relating to the Rational Assimilation of the Future", asks, 'What do traffic jams, obesity and spam have in common?' He answers that 'they are all problems caused by abundance in a world more attuned to scarcity. By achieving the goal of abundance, technology renders the natural checks and balances of scarcity obsolete.' His article is a thought provoking discussion of the unintended consequences of technological change."

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  1. just a different scarcity ? by daniel2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    traffic jams -> scarcity of alternative transportation

    1. Re:just a different scarcity ? by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ridiculous...you must not know too many people that have SUVs.

      Soooo... my argument is ridiculous because you are one of the few people - who I mentioned - who actually uses the capabilities provided by the vehicle?

      Uh.. yea... that makes... umm... ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL!

      I live within visible distance of 6 households who own truck-like vehicles over 4000 pounds. I have NEVER seen any ONE of those vehicles:

      • In the snow.
      • Dirty.
      • Towing anything.
      • Moving more than 4 people at once.
      • Offroad.
      And I'm reeeeaaalllll sorry... but if you buy a vehicle like that only to go grocery shopping, you're not even smart enough to HAVE a drivers license, much less make an intelligent car-buying decision.

      I'm real happy for you that you actually are one of the rare SUV owners (who happens to actually own a REAL SUV unlike most of these other idiots... Cayenne? Give me fucking break...) who uses the vehicle, but that doesn't satiate my hatred for the overwhelming majority who purchased them to keep up with the Jonses in the least.

      And, if that's not true, I pose this question: vehicles with those sorts of capabilities have been around for nearly half a century for public consumption. Am I supposed to believe that in the last 5-6 years huge numbers of upper-middle and upper class people just magically needed these capabilities all of a sudden? I think not.

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  2. Re:Abudance by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but what about an abudance of happiness, or love?

    Those are states, not measurable quantities.

    I love my wife more than anything else. My friend Em loves his wife, AFAIK more than anything else. How do you tell which one of us has "more" love?

  3. Newsflash by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Newsflash: society must adapt to changes in its environment. This includes technological changes that render previous assumptions obsolete. At the bottom of the article, the columnist mentions how digital paper might kill the newspaper business, or how easily copied CDs affected the music business. He didn't mention how that motorized carrage invention killed the buggy whip business. If your line of work is being made obsolete by changes in the environment, then perhaps it is time to change your line of work. It is futile to try to change the world, although that doesn't stop people from trying, at best all you can do is slow down the rate of change. I know it will be painful for the people who don't adapt, but that is the way of the world.

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  4. How about overpopulation? by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about overpopulation?

    Sounds cruel, but medical technology is largely to blame for overpopulation, boosting the birth rate, raising the average life expectancy...

    Plauges, STDs are all, to some extent, 'reactions' by 'mother nature' to bring us under control. Want to see a clearer-cut example? Forest fire fighting. Forests have been around for quite some time without us meddling with their natural processes. We step in, start fighting the small fires which thinned the forests out- and boom, all of the sudden, nobody can figure out why we've MASSIVE fires.

    The problem is not so much technology itself as the misappropriation of it by people egged on by thel "won't someone think of the children" types. Won't someone think of the tree owls who are homeless after that last fire? We'd better meddle!

  5. Re:The problems with Scarcity by BillFarber · · Score: 4, Insightful
    real war, over necessities; not what we have now

    So all those wars in our history books (such as the warlords in Africa, Napolean, Japan invading China) were wars over necessities? I guess all wars before a Bush was president were justified.

    Hate to break this to you, but war has a long history of only being about the people in power.

  6. Try again by bluGill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In first world countries with the medical technology you are blaming, the birthrate is currently less than what is nessicary to maintain population levels. Several countries in Europe are losing population before imigration because the natives are not having kids fast enough to replace those that die, despite people living longer.

    In truth medical technology lowers the birth rate. When you don't have good medical care you are best off having a lot of kids, but not caring if they don't survive (because many will not, and caring leads to psycological problems if they don't survive). When you have good medical care you are better off having a few kids that you put lots of effort into ensuring the survival of, they live, and get the attention needed to do well. Medical technology also provides birth control that works.

  7. Insights, anyone? by serutan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the article makes only trivial observations and provides no insights, I guess it's up to us readers. So here's my long rambling attempt:

    The article's advice that people should think about the consequences of new technology is sort of worthless, for the same reason mentioned that you can't replace abundance with scarcity because people wouldn't stand for it. If it were normal for people to think ahead about consequences, they wouldn't mind a healthy dose of scarcity that promised them better health, lower stress and greater security.

    In the real world, people who stand to profit from something rarely let the impact on others get in their way. At most, they consider their legal liability. When the damage starts to become obvious, all responsibility is placed on the customers who "demanded" the product. Demand, whether real or advertising-generated, is blamed for all the long-term consequences. The fast food industry doesn't accept the blame for creating a nation of lard-asses with heart disease. They just fulfilled the demand and raked up the profits. Those lazy customers did the damage to themselves. And of course, people should eat sensibly.

    On the other hand, if you leave a big pile of concrete rubble in your front yard, and some curious kids climb on it and get hurt, you're going to be held liable for their injuries. An unfenced hazard like that is what's called an "attractive nuisance." You don't have to spend billions on advertising to get those kids to wander over and check it out. Merely making it easy to get to is enough to make you responsible for it.

    So why aren't people who operate on a much larger scale equally responsible for "attractive nuisances" -- especially when they're handing out billions of toys in Happy Meals? I'm not talking about frivolous lawsuits for spilled hot coffee, I'm talking about people who learn to love products as kids, use them as directed for years and then drop dead at age 50 from the health effects. Apparently the loophole is the fact that almost anything is okay in moderation, and companies don't actually suggest in their advertising that anybody should consume TOO MUCH of their products. But then, the person with the pile of rubble likewise isn't asking anybody to climb on it. The pile is perfectly safe if you merely look at it and imagine the fun you could have climbing on it. So where's the consistency in the law?

    I think we're between a rock and a hard place. Liability for future consequences could cripple innovation, or limit it to large companies with litigation war chests. Which is the same thing. Making people responsible for whatever happens to them requires that they have an unrealistic level of expertise and caution. We want a safe world. We want a changing, progressive world. What a can of worms.