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Gaming Communities Cause Of TV Ratings Decline?

Bendebecker writes "We all know about the falling popularity of television this season, but Mike Malone of ABC News has a very interesting viewpoint on why this is happening. He seems to think that the growing popularity of online gaming communities (the example he gives is Counter-Strike) are causing the decline, which is particularly noticeable among the young male demographic."

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  1. Crap? by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So young males are playing video games, and that is the source of your falling ratings? Could there perhaps be a correlation between crap, and lower ratings, which in turn leads to higher video game consumption?

    1. Re:Crap? by penguinland · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I cannot agree more. Given the choice between watching another "reality" series and playing Neverwinter Nights or another suitably awesome game, there is no contest. Game sales are up because the newer games have better graphics, AI, and gameplay, but also retain the same quality of the old games. Television, on the other hand, has not had any major advances since... um... whenever they started making them in color. It's getting old, and the TV stations have all but run out of new ideas for shows. If they start playing good, entertaining shows, people will watch them. Until then, people will find other sources of entertainment, such as games.

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    2. Re:Crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other news, Levi Strauss reported rapidly increasing demand for larger and larger waist sizes of their most popular product, 501 jeans, especially amongst the young male demographic.

      In other news, the latest U.S. census figures indicate that young men are choosing to live in their mothers' basements well beyond the college years.

      In other news, more and more women complain about a severe shortage of men who can talk about more things than Counter Strike...

    3. Re:Crap? by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I RTFA. It says that gaming and the online experience, even that not attached to gaming, is a more compelling experience than watching TV.

      In other words, comparitively, TV is crap.

      I'd point out that because of the biased point of view of the article (this does not mean bad, simply that their interest if very specific) they don't really understand what's going on anyway, as most of the media doesn't.

      For instance, there is strong implication that the article doesn't really have anything to so with me, a physicist, businessman, family oriented guy of 46 who happens to work with computers. The sort of guy like the author says "wouldn't be interested in Counter Strike." And I suppose he'd right. I'm into AoE, Red Baron 3D, Grand Prix Legends and NASCAR, and I'm looking into what sort of upgrades I'd have to make to run IL-2 Sturmovik properly.

      I not only game online several hours a week but take my Grand Prix Legends racing just as seriously as do people who participate in Karting or Formula Ford. As far as I'm concerned marginalizing such serious computer gaming is just as daft as marginalinzing Wimbeldon, The PGA or the World Cup would be. They're all just "games," and all of them only draw their import from the fact that people give them import.

      I also watch a fair amount of TV, often while I'm gaming, so if the content is compelling the one does not necessarily prclude the other. But I'm one of those guys that Nielson says "doesn't count," because I can't even remember the last time I watched a network show. C-Span, The Science Channel, Discovery (when they're not pretending that UFOs and Jesus are science), TLC (when they're not pretending that dating reality shows are educational), National Geographic, The Comedy Channel, Sci-Fi, BBC America. . . more good stuff on there in a few hours than all the networks put together broadcast in a month.

      Nielson needs to recognize people like me, so do the networks.

      Put on good shit and I'll watch it, even though I spend hours a day online.

      KFG

  2. Makes sense to me by nystul555 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When a new form of entertainment emerges, it can take away from the time spent with current forms.

    People only have so much free time in a day. If they begin spending 2-3 hours a day playing video games, that's 2-3 less hours they have for tv, music, reading, etc.

    There was a time when you read books for entertainment, and that's about all you COULD do. Then radio came along, and families sat around in the evening listening to radio shows. Then TV, now video games. It makes perfect sense.

    I do want to say that I think this is a good thing. For the most part TV is the most mindless, unstimulating, unsocial form of entertainment we have today. If more people play games (still maybe not the best entertainment, but challenging and oftentimes social none the less) than watch TV, well, I'm all for it!

  3. Or maybe... by TeslaDAC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just that the new shows are increasingly like the music comming out today. It's all the same: Reality this, real life that, American Wannabe, they're all modeled after a small group of once successful shows. I presently only watch maybe 3 to 4 hours of TV per week, and it's usually educational stuff (TLC, Discovery, Travel, etc). If the people in Hollywood were to do some real research and come up with something original again, maybe people would start watching again. But it will have to happen soon, or their only audience will be folks who dont have a net connection.

  4. It's the programming by dauvis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While programs like EQ, DAoC, Counter Strike, etc... are probably a part of the reason, another reason is because the current programming sucks. Most of the shows that they seem to be targeting that age range seem, to me, be a bunch of teen-aged soap operas (OC comes to mind).

    I guess they figured that if it worked for Beverly Hill 90210, it should work now. With the Internet as it is today, people are expecting a more interactive form of entertainment. When I get home, I want instant gratification. I don't want to wait until the predetermined date and time to watch a show when I can load up DAoC and have fun.

  5. Re:Huh? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is this "TV" thing?

    Um, it's that thing you hook your gaming console to.

  6. This is the last straw. by The+Human+Cow · · Score: 5, Funny

    First violent behavior, and now this? When will the madness end?

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  7. counterstrike community respond to this story by joe_bruin · · Score: 5, Funny

    > did u see teh story about wathcing less tv??/
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    > no flash grnades retard
    > cover me!
    > HOW DO I PICK UP TEH WAEPONS???
    > im swtiching sides
    > wtf?
    > gota go, homework

  8. Conclusion? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How the hell did they draw that conclusion? Seriously, even more interesting is how do they calculate viewers? Or better still, the popularity of a show?

    I was reading a few months back that this season is the best in 10+ years, etc... Who the hell came to that conclusion, and based on what data? There is only one single new show I like (Las Vegas, on NBC), and even that is just better than average, not amazing, all the other stuff on primetime is crap! And all networks (FTA or Cable/Sat only) are simply taking an existing show and putting it back out with a new name, and new cast. Fox's OC is 90210 rehashed, Countless Reality shows, etc... even Discovery and TLC are dropping to new lows... How many Monster 'fill in the blank' shows can they produce... it's novel if it's a single show, not when it's 10.

    I'm willing to bet that if I went to a major city, and asked 100 random people in a shopping mall to rate this season's TV, it wouldn't come close to the reported 'amazing new season, best in 10 years' crap that came from all the previews in August. Of course viewing is at a record low, that's obvious, the fact that execs are surprised and need to find something to blame is surprising... There is only so long that you can keep telling yourself it's not shit, but eventually you do taste it... These execs are dumber than I though possible.

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  9. not trying to be extreme.. by viniosity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I sold my TV 3 years ago and haven't looked back since. I get my entertainment from books, the Internet, and games. Living without a TV was tough for about the first 6 months and then I stopped missing it. I don't smoke, but I wonder if it's something akin to giving up a cigarette habit..

    When I am exposed to TV these days (at bars or at a friends house) I can't get over just how much garbage is on it. Not only are the shows bad, the news seems to be aimed at 9 year olds. The final insult is the advertising which seem more and more to appeal to the emotional side (buy this SUV and you'll feel like you're roaring through the mountains!) as opposed to practical advantage (sucks less, costs less, works better).

    While TV, video games, and the Internet are all time sinks (and I believe there's data that backs this next claim up) - people tend to use their brains more while playing video games or using the net. And, to me, that can only be a good thing!

  10. Build (the content) and they will come by BenjyD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An average line up for a night's programming (UK tv):

    show about a couple going house hunting
    show about two people buying a house and doing it up
    show about a pair of people building a house from scratch
    Show about two people who bought a house last year on a tv show and have redecorated it since.

    Hmmm, interesting. As a 24 year old bloke, just what I want to watch. I think I'll go play BF1942.