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Credit Card Sized Concept PDA from Citizen

chris writes "Citizen has unveiled a miniature PDA concept considerably smaller than existing PDAs. The 60 x 90 x 9.3mm 16-colour grayscale PDA is just a bit bigger then a credit card." A bit too large to stow in one's wallet, but it's still a slick form factor, easily hid in a pocket. It runs ITRON4 for an OS, and the battery life is rated at 30 hours.

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  1. $200! by PaintyThePirate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For $200, I really can't see this becoming a hot product. The average consumer would rather buy a $200 Palm or Pocket PC. They are just as pocketable as Citizen's concept (unless you have really small pants) plus they have color screens and multimedia capabilities.

  2. Oxymoron alert! by cliffy2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "16-colour grayscale"
    I know what they mean, but it's a little misleading.

  3. Whoops by r_glen · · Score: 5, Informative

    The company link is wrong. Correct address is here

  4. Is it just me? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or are these getting too small to be useful? Really, if I need to read info off it, and more importantly enter info into it, it's just too dang small.

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  5. Smaller PDA -- that's what I need by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've been waiting for a mini PDA for quite a long time now. My old, huge PDA is certainly too easy to operate. I can even read the screen without a magnifying glass! It's not "cool" at all.

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  6. Ever hear of the REX? by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This concept is not new or original. The original Rex was even grayscale! I thought it was really nifty because it doubled as a PCMCIA card; just pop it in your laptop and sync up. A PDA actually light enough to fit in a shirt pocket. Though mostly only good for addresses, clock, calculator, to-do list...what you need really, but no games to waste time with.

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  7. Re:Sure it's small... by eidolons · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...and how long before you lose the damn thing? As electronics get exponentially smaller, we're shelling out more and more loads of $ for tiny little gadgets.

    What happens if you get your pants stolen (I don't want to imagine the scenario where this would happen, but bear with me) when you're carrying your mp3, your cell phone, and your pda and who knows what else? Soon our laptops will be the size of credit cards (that unfold or something for the screen). We don't need house insurance anymore, we need pants insurance. You know what? I think I'll invest in pants insurance. Listen, you heard it here first.

  8. I Can Wait by cmacb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I STILL think all these things are overpriced. Heck in the 80's I got hold of a calculator that was credit card sized..literally in every dimension. flexible like a credit card too so it fit into my wallet and got sat on just like other credit cards with no ill-effects. I think I paid about $5 for it on a boardwalk in CA, but I never saw the things widely marketed in the US. Instead I saw much thicker devices that would crack if flexed at all and they cost several times as much. Palm devices are the same way. The technology exists to build the thing for $15 and have all the standard Pilot functionality. As long as people will pay $200 for every new tiny incremental improvement you can't blame the hardware companies for taking your money.

    If my Palm III ever dies and goes to heaven (doesn't show any signs of it) my plan to is go to Walmart and see what Casio has been up to. I have a sneaking suspicion that they already have all the functionality I need for a carry-everywhere device. I'm a bit more picky about laptops however.

  9. Hopefully well designed by killerkalamari · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I bought one of those Oregon Scientific mini-PDA's (credit card size, but 1/8" thick).. it was only a few bucks brand new on E-Bay, so I decided to give it a shot. It was really fun to play with, but the lack of a keyboard or handwriting recognition made me quickly realize it wasn't much more than a toy. I just couldn't keep up trying to punch things in on the onscreen keyboard so I often ended up with various notes in my pocket thinking "I will enter that later" (phone numbers, appointments, etc). Later, of course, never seemed to come around. I finally quit carrying it when certain cells of the touch screen stopped working (on/off comes to mind).

    I'm still hoping for a programmable PDA calculator watch with the form factor of my Casio Data Bank DBC-61[0] (I'm not talking about those clunky new wannabe data banks with impossible to press keys). Here's a pic:

    Casio DBC-610

    Notice the smooth keypad? This is perfect for quick entry. Raised buttons are harder to press and slow me down. The battery lasts at least 3 years. Now, add PDA features and predictive text input, and you have a winner (the screen doesn't need to change much, it can display text and numbers). Of course it will never happen, but I can dream :) Jeff

  10. Cold fusion discovered, or...? by Timmeh · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what are you hoping for, about 37 seconds of battery life?

  11. Re:You're thinking of the REX 6000 by WoTG · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used a REX for a couple years. It was quite good for it's intended tasks. The lack of input was a pain, but actually not as bad as it sounds at first. It was first and foremost a phonebook, like Palms were at first. For new or updated contacts you'd have to jot down the data with a good old pen and paper, then update the contact in Outlook, or other compatible software. The next sync and you'd be good to go. Don't forget, Palm + Grafiti isn't the fastest data input method either. I tend to jot things to paper first - especially if it's info from over the phone.

    Some of the last models of REX's had limited input capability. They used the 4 (5?) buttons, in a similar manner to the way game consoles use their controllers for entering text and numbers. I assume it was suitable for updating phone or email addresses in a pinch.

    The size of the Rex was outstanding. I didn't think twice about carrying it around all day. I can't say the same about my Palm Pilot. If I could combine the size of the Rex, with the features of a Palm, I'd be interested.

  12. More info in Japanese press release by Bushcat · · Score: 4, Informative
    See here for the Japanese press release.

    Highlights: 8MB flash memory (4MB for data), 512kB RAM, runs at 24MHz or 48MHz, touchscreen uses Decuma handwriting recognition (Decuma is a Swedish company with Sony VC money; Decuma is also used in Sony Clies & cellphones). FM/Midi sound, vibrator; PIM, mail client supports POP/SMTP.

    Can communicate with SD form-factor PHS card, Wi-Fi card, Bluetooth etc. Tri-color LED, sound and vibration alerts for incoming data.

    I figure it's a much more useful device in Japan where connectivity is ubiquitous, than the US. But it will have a tough time competing with the likes of the J-SH53 and its successors.

  13. Weighs only 70g... by lipi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...plus Wi-Fi enabled and and it has ARM processor in it: perfect on-board controller for model air-planes.