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Three More Solar Flares

Evil Adrian writes "Space.com reports that the sun shot off three more solar flares on Monday. This is quite a historic period for solar activity." The article breaks down the recent flares, and what the effects have been. Update: 11/05 01:57 GMT by T : cyberMalex writes "Space.com is reporting the 10th in a string of major solar flares which have been errupting from the sun over the past two weeks. "This one saturated the X-ray detectors on the NOAA's GOES satellites that monitor the Sun. The jury is therefore out on the definitive classification of the flare." "Other scientists have indicated the flare may indeed be an X20 or stronger. Only one X20 event has been seen in recent years, and it was not Earth-directed and had little effect.""

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  1. Nothing really matters. by anaphora · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I think the last week will go into the history books as one of the most dramatic periods of solar activity we have seen in modern time," Brekke told SPACE.com.

    ...No it wont. Doesn't anyone understand, the general public doesn't CARE about this crap. In 20 years, when people look back at this period in history, they'll see the WTC. Operation: Iraqi Freedom. The video tape of Saddam's fire-ant torture. In 100 years, They'll see the WTC. In 1000 years, they'll see America, and they'll say exactly what we say about the Romans, "Wow, they really owned while they were around. It's too bad they had to fade away." Think about it, can YOU name any war that happened 1000 years ago? How about all the leaders of a country somewhere?

    1. Re:Nothing really matters. by rastakid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You said it yourself: the general public. But ask anyone interested in astrology in, let's say, 5 years, and they'll probably remember. I do believe solar flares are pretty interesting, but I have to admit, I'm interested in it. And with me, there are many, many others.

    2. Re:Nothing really matters. by The+Man · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree that we're much better at keeping records. The records exist, sure, and often they're stored on the most reliable media we have. You could have said the same thing 1000 years ago as well, and yet despite the abundance of records and the reliability of storage, not enough survived to give a detailed picture of many events. I suspect the same will be true 1000 years from now.

    3. Re:Nothing really matters. by missing000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, you would argue that we are worse at reccord keeping than we were 2000 years ago?

      I think a comparison to the Dark Ages is a bit silly. Maybe our record keeping sucks, but who has never heard of the Peloponnesian War? (It was 431 BC BTW)

    4. Re:Nothing really matters. by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wouldn't surprise me if astROLOGISTS put more emphasis on the importantce of solar activity than astronomers do. Scientists do science, but pseudoscientists are at liberty to make any wild conjecture they want to -- and the more obvious the celestial event the more weight they can put on it when they invent their consequences.

      In years to come, today's solar activity will be archives of photos and numbers in observatory logs. But anyone born today will always be able to find someone willing to use the sky as an explanation for their success or failure, who they should pursue as a love interest, what lotto numbers they should pick....

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    5. Re:Nothing really matters. by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What good is digital media to a post-apocalyptic society that has no ability to read it? Or... a society where humanity has evolved into something else that no longer cares (grey goo). Or... if the Earth just plain isn't here anymore (Planet X - which is dubious at best).

    6. Re:Nothing really matters. by missing000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Consider that the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Rosetta Stone have both existed for ~2000 years. Can you name a single form of media we have today that will last as long?

      1) Go downtown this afternoon (any small town or city will do), and look at the buildings. I bet you will see plenty of carved writing on walls and cornerstones. Some even depicts history!

      2) Many, many volumes of information are currently being preserved in the Library of Congress and elsewhere utilizing anti-aging techniques. I would expect most of these collections to survive for quite a long time.

  2. Guilt-free fun by Malor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing that I'm really enjoying about the solar flares, unlike most Earthly climate events, is that we can be absolutely certain we didn't cause it via pollution or global warming or what have you. When I see the hurricanes and tornadoes and big wildfires, there's always this nagging worry in the back of my mind that it might not be happening if we weren't spitting out all the pollution.

    But we have no effect whatsoever on the Sun, so I can sit back and watch the show guilt-free. :-)

  3. aurora by Rumagent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always find it fascinating, when the universe demonstrates just how small and insignificant we really are... that, and watching aurora is a great way of getting kids interested in astronomy.

  4. Re:Historic Period? by Gulthek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We have samples from icebergs measuring beryllium-10, which give us a good picture of solar activity for the past couple thousand years or so.

    Aside from that, it's a historic period in solar flares simply because we haven't seen it happen before. Just because we don't know how common this occurence is in the full grand scheme of things, doesn't mean that it isn't noteworthy when we see it for the first time!

  5. Re:It's not the # of flares .. it's by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, they're larger than everything we've previously observed but given our incredibly limited amount of data and the fact that the sun has been around for quite some time, we don't know whether or not it is unusual. It could be unusual or there could be a much longer cycle that we are completely unaware of due to our limited vision.

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  6. Re:Aurora Cam by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is the sun dying?!

    Does it matter?

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  7. Solar Observations by evilpenguin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm no solar scientist, but I don't think it is even remotely reasonable for anyone to say anything about the sun is "unprecedented." The percentage of the sun's life that human beings have been observing has to be less than 0.01%

    Maybe everything we've seen up to now has been atypical and this represents a return to the norm.

  8. Re:Historic Period? by TGK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the record, most environmentalists are less worried about the planet and more worried about you.

    No one has any doubts that if human kind makes the biggest mess we can of this ball of mud that life will go on. The industrial companies are right, human kind is small change in the cycles of global climate.

    Of course, when you're small change it doesn't take a whole hell of a lot to exterminate you and most everything like you.

    No one thinks we're gonna wreck the planet, but aside from Al Gore, most of us wouldn't want to see Florida under water.

    Humankind probably won't make any major changes in the global scheme of things, but the minor changes we make could cause untold havoc, suffering, and chaos... at least on the human scale.

    So yes... the Sun might be the major cause of global warming.... in much the same way that your heater is the major thing that heats your house.

    Does this mean it's a good idea to set the drapes on fire?

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  9. Re:It's not the # of flares .. it's by barakn · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The number of sunspots is about normal for this time in the 11 year solar cycle

    No. Here's the monthly averaged daily SSNs and here's the last six daily SSNs (scroll a third of the way down to see 'em). The daily SS numbers for the six day period ending on Oct. 28 were 122, 160, 139, 191, 238, and 230. The number dropped to 76 today, which is roughly normal this late in the cycle, but that's because the huge spots are rotating out of view (not to worry, they'll be back in 2 weeks). Once the monthly averages are updated, we'll see that this solar cycle has a peculiar third peak (and even a second peak is somewhat unusual).

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  10. Re:It's not the # of flares .. it's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While we've never seen two Jupiter size sun spots before, doesn't mean it has not happened. Remember, before a few years ago, we did not have the instrumentation that we do now in observing the sun.

    M42gal AKA St.