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Climate Data Re-examined (updated)

An anonymous reader writes "An important paper that re-examines historical climate data was published on 28 October in the respected journal Energy & Environment. (The paper is also available here.) According to an article in Canada's National Post, the paper shows that a "pillar of the Kyoto Accord is based on false calculations, incorrect data and an overtly biased selection of climate records." (USA Today also has a story.) This paper will undoubtedly be controversial and should stir a vigourous data review." Update: 11/05 14:54 GMT by T : newyhouse points out a similarly contrarian 2001 Economist article by Bjorn Lomborg, author of The Skeptical Environmentalist .

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  1. National Post by befletch · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case it isn't obvious, the National Post is a very right wing paper, at least in Canadian terms. That doesn't mean they are wrong, but they have a history of taking any opportunity to attack the Kyoto Accord.

    As a case in point, I offer the title, subtitle and byline for the article:

    Kyoto debunked
    A pillar of the Kyoto Accord is based on flawed calculations, incorrect data and an overtly biased selection of climate records, an important new paper reveals

    Tim Patterson
    Financial Post

    I would say, for instance, that a more cautious interpretation would be that an important new paper suggests flaws in the research, not that it reveals it. Particularly if I were a writer for a business & economics paper, not a climate change researcher. And then there is the title itself...

    To give credit where it is due, he does tend to use the phrase 'climate change' rather than the older 'global warming', which is a more accurate description of what the body of research underpinning Kyoto actually suggests. Usually you can spot biased participants in debates like this by their choice of language.

    Personally, I have never taken sides over whether climate change is likely to be a reality or not. I don't need it as a justification for my environmental leanings. I think there are many national security and economic justifications for taking such actions as improving energy efficiency throughout society without relying on theories such as climate change that are far beyond my ability to competently analyze. So go ahead and tear Kyoto apart if you care to, but don't use that as an excuse to increase dependence on Middle East oil, for example.

    And I haven't seen a big appetite for new nuclear or coal power plants in the US as of late either.

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  2. Re:Follow the money... by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, you have some factual errors too since displacement is relative to *mass* not to volume. Water is kind of funny in that the solid has more volume than the liquid for a given mass due to the chemical structures, so 1KG of ice has more volume than 1KG of water, as you state. But if you put some ice cubes in a glass, fill it to the brim with water and then let the ice melt, it will still be full to the brim with no overflow because the mass remains constant. And that's in an ideal world, before you account for the losses due to evaporation. The section of the ice sticking out of the water is the difference in *volume* between the mass of the water in the ice cube in its liquid and solid states.

    People getting confused when relating this to the melting of the polar caps is due to the fact that while the northern cap is largely over water and they think of the ice cube in a glass thing. But that's not the end of the story. The bulk of the southern ice mass *is* over land, and a good chunk of ice in the north is too, plus the temperature rise necessary to melt the caps would almost certainly cause a rise in the snowline and meltage of other inland ice.

    In a nutshell, ice mass supported by the oceans can melt without causing the seas to rise, but ice supported by land will cause the seas to rise. Note: I seem to recall that "supported by" is not the same as "directly over", but it's a *long* time since I did any geography.

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  3. Re:Biased Bush administration energy whores? by jmichaelg · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why do people think environmentalists would be biased, anyway?

    Possibly because they admit it?

    In John McPhee's Encounters with the Archdruid, David Bower, the former director of the Sierra Club, admits he just made his numbers up. McPhee asks Bower where he found the data for the 'The U.S. has 6% of the world's population but consumes 40% of the world's resourcess' quote. Bower's response was it sounded about right.