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SAPHRguru writes "New Scientist reports (10 Nov) that researchers may have taken a big step towards solving the mystery of how humans detect pheromones... we do it through our noses! Strange, I always thought I responded to chemical cues through my mouth (especially in brownies)!"

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  1. Now I have proof that my nose smells by the_other_one · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now I can tell all those people that tell me that my feet smell that they are wrong.

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    1. Re:Now I have proof that my nose smells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a DICK!!

    2. Re:Now I have proof that my nose smells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's Tyreth. Tyreth is a Christian Fundamentalist troll dumping shit on many threads nowadays. His specialty is talkshitting about the evolution theory and spitting half-baked syllogisms he sees as solid ground for this plague known as creationism.

      His clever flaming and trolling accomplishments are dearly appreciated among the Slashdot trolling community, and he has been given a Trollback award for the month of October for this flamebait.

      So, if you care about quality discussion on Slashdot, please put Tyreth on your Foes list and regularly mod him down. Thank you for your attention.

    3. Re:Now I have proof that my nose smells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny....that chode has actually been on my foes list for quite some time now!

    4. Re:Now I have proof that my nose smells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spread the word then...

    5. Re:Now I have proof that my nose smells by gfim · · Score: 1

      If your nose runs and your feet smell, you're built upside down (sorry, flashback from primary school).

      Graham

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  2. Hahaha by Ianoo · · Score: 1

    For a short minute I thought Slashdot had been hacked again. LMAO.

    1. Re:Hahaha by Angry_Admin · · Score: 1

      I thought every minute has 60 seconds? How can you have a "short minute"? ;)

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  3. Hash-brownies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Strange, I always thought I responded to chemical cues through my mouth (especially in brownies)!

    Was that a pot reference?

  4. Brownies? by joey+shabadu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is he talking about *special* brownies?

    1. Re:Brownies? by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      That's how I read it at least.

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    2. Re:Brownies? by pocopoco · · Score: 1

      Personally I thought he was talking about brownies the type of girl scout. Little young for my taste...

    3. Re:Brownies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you're not using Gentoo!

    4. Re:Brownies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he'd just used Gentoo, and compiled his brownies with -funroll-dough -march-i686, they'd be 5-10% tastier!

    5. Re:Brownies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ones I shitted into his mouth! ;)

  5. No VMO in humans? by nlh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, I'm confused. According to the article:

    ...scientists have never been able to identify a VMO in humans, despite evidence that they do respond to pheromones.

    But that doesn't sound right. Believe it or not, I actually wrote a paper for my freshman psychology class back in Fall '96 on the effect of human pheromones and the VMO. At that time, at least, it was fairly well known that the VMO did indeed exist in humans, and that even its location in the human body was known (See this and this, for example).

    So when did it vanish from scientific literature, or was its existence called into question?

    1. Re:No VMO in humans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, I actually wrote a paper for my freshman psychology class back in Fall '96 on the effect of human pheromones and the VMO.

      So when did it vanish from scientific literature, or was its existence called into question?

      Perhaps, just maybe, the work you did as a COLLEGE FRESHMAN wasn't 100% correct?

    2. Re:No VMO in humans? by Alsee · · Score: 3, Funny

      So when did it vanish

      Damnit damnit damnit!

      You travel 42,000 light years, you abduct a sample life form in stasis, you spend over a year constructing a simulated enviornment, you fill that enviornment with a bunch of simulated life forms, and some third-rate contractor leaves out the damn VMOs!

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    3. Re:No VMO in humans? by SEE · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, New Scientist made a hash of it.

      Humans have a VNO, but whether it works or not is a disputed question; there's both physiological and genetic reasons to believe that it's vestigial in humans, and possibly apes and Old World monkeys. If it is, then pheremones, which we know affect humans, must be detected by another system.

      So what the researchers in this case did was see if pheremones could cause reactions in the main olfactory system of mice. If they did (and they did), it explains how humans can be affected by pheremones despite a possibly vestigial VNO.

    4. Re:No VMO in humans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      From the two links:

      These morphologic findings, which are unique in the human body, suggest that a chemosensory epithelium corresponding to a vomeronasal organ may exist


      There is no evidence for true vomeronasal sensory nerves connecting the organ to the brain.


      So, according to your links, people believed that it maybe exists (or maybe not), but probably doesn't connect to the brain. If people respond to pheromones, then either they must perceive them by a different route, or there must be nerves that have been overlooked. Either would be important news.
    5. Re:No VMO in humans? by nlh · · Score: 1

      What, you doubt my scientific prowess??? You think that, just maybe, the massive quantities of alcohol I ingested during fraternal initiation rites could have actually HINDERED my abilities to produce outstanding academic work?

      Hmph. I scoff. As they say, "Hire a Teenager While They Still Know Everything."

  6. This is a MOUSE STUDY!!! by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Guys, relax. The article clearly states that this study was done on MICE and not HUMANS!! They're just making a guess that people detect pheromones through their nose, too -- they don't know this.

    Talk about jumping the gun...

    GMD

    1. Re:This is a MOUSE STUDY!!! by coolmacdude · · Score: 1

      They're just making a guess that people detect pheromones through their nose, too -- they don't know this.

      Since we really don't know for sure, lets spend $50 million to find out.

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    2. Re:This is a MOUSE STUDY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course humans also dectect phermerones with their noses. why wouldn't they if other mammals do? i know science is about being skeptical and all, but is it that big of a jump and illogical to expect that humans detect phermerones by smelling?

    3. Re: This is a MOUSE STUDY!!! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > Guys, relax. The article clearly states that this study was done on MICE and not HUMANS!!

      Yeah, but when you get 50 e-msgs a day asking
      Are you a mouse or a man? ... g83ka,
      this kind of news can rattle you!

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    4. Re:This is a MOUSE STUDY!!! by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 1
      The researchers have found that pheromones activate the mouse olfactory system which is used for detecting smells. Humans has a very similar system, so suggesting that we also can detect pheromones isn't such a big stretch.

      Like it or not, there are many things we have in common with mice. And bacteria etc for that matter.

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    5. Re:This is a MOUSE STUDY!!! by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      ...this study was done on MICE and not HUMANS

      What makes you think that journalists and people like us differentiate between animals and humans?

      Hey, stop squirting that stuff in my eyes!
      (unemployed programmer in testing lab)

  7. Urine as a social signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The team is now trying to determine how the process may work in humans. "But we don't generally use urine as a social signal," notes Katz.

    Hey, speak for yourself, Professor Science! I find pissing in the direction of someone I don't like to be much easier and cleaner than flinging my feces at them and it gets the point across just as effectively!

    1. Re:Urine as a social signal by eamonman · · Score: 1

      And I guess if you aim at their nose you increase the signal strength even more. ;)

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    2. Re:Urine as a social signal by Alsee · · Score: 1

      much easier and cleaner than flinging my feces at them

      True, true. But I still preffer flinging feces. The extra range is worth it.

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  8. I suppose that someone's got to say it... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

    ...So I'll do it.

    Ahem.

    My dog has no nose.

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    1. Re:I suppose that someone's got to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Really? How does he smell?

    2. Re:I suppose that someone's got to say it... by gertsenl · · Score: 1

      Awful.

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  9. Wake up and smell the pheromones... by TheRoachMan · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...just got an entirely new meaning for these scientists. It's kind of annoying to see that valuable tax dollars (luckily I'm Europeean, but that doesn't change the fact that I find it a big waste of money) go to scientific research that comes up with 'new' facts that have been generally known for years.

  10. Pheremones are different in humans by Aglassis · · Score: 1

    You said: "of course humans also dectect phermerones with their noses. why wouldn't they if other mammals do? i know science is about being skeptical and all, but is it that big of a jump and illogical to expect that humans detect phermerones by smelling?"

    Scientists believe that pherormones are suppressed in humans. One point of evidence cited is that about the time that homonids developed color vision, a pheromonal pathway gene mutated and became unusable. One item of speculation from that is that color vision gives advantages of finding mates from a distance rather than close up as would be required when recieving pheromones. This would make the need for pheromonal pathways much less important (so much less important that subsequent mutation didn't affect survival). Additionally, many other mammals don't have color vision and tend to be much more receptive to pheromones than humans.

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    1. Re:Pheremones are different in humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      interesting. but, even so, wouldn't you expect to find (perhaps) a vestigal VMO in humans that is a part of the still-functioning olfactory system?

  11. VNO, not VMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't even know its name. How much work did you really do?

    1. Re:VNO, not VMO by nlh · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Good point. Guess the whole "pass/fail" thing freshman year _did_ take its toll after all.

  12. Anosmia? by robson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are pheromones delivered through the *exact same* sensory mechanism as smell, or do they diverge into separate paths at some point?

    I ask because I have congenital anosmia -- no sense of smell. None. What I want to know is whether I'm still picking up on the subtle messages delivered by pheromones.

    1. Re:Anosmia? by Single+GNU+Theory · · Score: 1

      If you're concerned that you're missing the subtle signals of pheromones, you could be missing the forest for the trees.

      For example, if she throws a leg over and grinds on your pubic bone, she might be horny for you.

      This sort of signal is immune to interference preventing the reception of pheromones, such as allergies, head colds, or even congenital anosmia.

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  13. I foresee my future e-mails by Molina+the+Bofh · · Score: 0
    I can predict future spams:

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    Other men will envy your power and success! Wear it just as you would any cologne and women will be instantly attracted to you. Human pheromones have been proven to induce sexual desire in women - ALL WOMEN - even the stubborn one's who were unreceptive to you before! This astonishing fragrance attracts women like magic!

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  14. Obligatory schoolyard joke by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1
    Personally I thought he was talking about brownies the type of girl scout. Little young for my taste...
    Q: When does a Cub Scout become a Boy Scout?

    A: When he eats his first Brownie!
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  15. From the extremely fscking obvious dept. by quinkin · · Score: 1
    From the extremely fscking obvious dept.

    Also just in: Oxygen deprivation may lead to death!

    Q.

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  16. The really sad part about the article... by tuxedobob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...is that they only quote one doctor.

    That quote is at the end of the article.

    The doctor tells us, "But we don't generally use urine as a social signal."

    They didn't get anything else they could print?

  17. Smello-vision by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    Since we really don't know for sure, lets spend $50 million to find out.

    It could well be worth that much of an investment to marketing specialists.

    If the mechanism is determined, then you can bet that the next time you walk into a department store or a casino you'll be feeling extra sexy for a reason.

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  18. It's "VMO" you insensitive clod! (n/t) by ChrisZuma · · Score: 0

    (n/t)

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