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USPTO To Reexamine Eolas, SBC Patents

theodp writes "The USPTO Director has ordered reexaminations of the infamous Eolas Distributed Hypermedia Method (discussed earlier(1) on Slashdot) and SBC Structured Document Browser (discussed earlier(2) on Slashdot) patents. Maybe this will inspire Tim O'Reilly to get that killer piece of 1-Click prior art off his bookshelf!"

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  1. How many times... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... has this happened in the US ?

    If this can be duplicated for other patents, could this a possible route to pointing out how futile software patenting is ? I'd guess that if the USPTO had to constantly re-examine s/w patents they might be more leery of granting them ...

    Simon

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    1. Re:How many times... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Informative
      ... has this happened in the US ?

      Director ordered re-exams are rare, a few hundred a year. They tend to only take place when the USPTO is absolutely forced to.

      In this case the director is responding to a public request made by Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web on behalf of the 600 odd companies in his consortium. This is the type of request that the director of the USPTO can hardly afford to ignore.

      There are other ways to obtain a re-examination. Anyone can file at any time by paying a fee. The problem is that the re-exam process tends to be as prefunctory as the exam process and if you lose at re-exam the courts are likely to reject challenges based on the material presented in the re-exam.

      I suspect that we will see the Eolas patent quickly evaporate. Director ordered re-exams in the middle of littigation are highly unusual. The trigger for obtaining a director ordered re-exam is considerably higher than the threshold for invalidating a patent.

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  2. I've always wondered by levik · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you lisence Amazon's 1-Click patent, do they give you an SDK to help understand this advanced and innovative technology?

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  3. Re:Hmmmm, other motivations.... by goldspider · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Not to be entirely cynical but what are the odds that Microsoft had a little bit to do with the review by the USPTO."

    And what if they did? It's a patent that, in all likelihood, never should have been awarded, so it really doesn't matter much to me who got the USPTO to examine it as long as it and bad patents like it are thrown out.

    Seriously people, you have to stop cutting off your nose to spite your face. This is a good thing!

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  4. Putting a leash on the patent monster by dcavanaugh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Patent Office is a government agency. Like all government agencies, it lwill do whatever it takes to sustain itself and grow. Their growth strategy has been to collect fees and issue patents, often without much regard for prior art and common sense.

    Trying to stop the growth of USPTO is like trying to stop the sun from rising. Perhaps there is a way for them to collect additional (even higher) fees for re-examining questionable patents. Considering all the garbage that is out there, they is quite a bit of work to be done and a captive market to pay for it. I think the Patent Office needs something to do. Pulling the plug on misguided patents would be a worthwhile effort. All we need for patent reform is a way to align the inevitable collection of fees with the policy goal of protecting only those truly innovative ideas that cost big money for R&D.

    1. Re:Putting a leash on the patent monster by jkabbe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wouldn't shorter durations for technology patents increase revenue from fees? Or do they collect many times during the term of the patent? I would think that shorter durations / more fees would make their flow of revenue a little more even.

      As I am studying for the patent bar right now I can answer that....

      Maintenance fees (for utility patents) are due at 3.5, 7.5, and 11.5 years.

      I hope I got that right!

    2. Re:Putting a leash on the patent monster by nudicle · · Score: 3, Informative
      I think the Patent Office needs something to do. Pulling the plug on misguided patents would be a worthwhile effort.

      The patent office needs to *do something* but it certainly doesn't need something to do.

      I'm a law student who spent the summer at a patent law firm working on software patent prosecution. You would not believe how understaffed the USPTO is for the volume of CS related patents. One of the ways this is most obvious is that a lot of objections the examiners sent back to us were completely, obviously, on their very face ridiculous. It was apparent that the patent examiner had read the material (either our claims or part of the defense of our application throughout the process), done a keyword search and found other patents using the same vocabulary but didn't do even a tiny little bit of investigation to find out if the work was even in the same area as our patent. Thus, we could overcome USPTO objections trivially most of the time because they were stupid objections.

      Perhaps part of it was lack of experience on the part of the examiners, but I doubt it. They have way too many applications on their hands to do more than a cursory job with each one right now and the incentive structure just exacerbates the problem.

      I also went to visit the USPTO over the summer and during our tour the guide (an examiner herself) mentioned that there were plans to hire some enormous quantity of new examiners in the next year. Although that won't fix the broken incentive structure, hopefully it'll help in some small way.

      All of this is to say it's not as if the USPTO w/ its current staffing is sitting around twiddling its thumbs. Something needs to be done but they're not idly waiting for something to do.

  5. What if it wasn't MS by oolon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I make you wonder what would have happened if it had not been MS. If MS had the patent and Eolas was being sued, the bet the patent office would have let the court decide if the patent should stand or not, which is the normal way they behave.

    James

  6. Re:Pattent System by *weasel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    there's something to be said for limited application resubmissions.

    the current malicious patent application process is to submit as broad and vague a patent as possible (particularly in software) and resubmit over and over, narrowing it down only as much as the particular examiner requires.
    (not all patent applying company's do this - but the ones who do, -always- do).

    at some point there should be a mechanism to prevent such obvious and disingenuous 'gaming' of the system.

    the patent idea is supposed to be cooperative: a limited monopoly for an inventor in return for public disclosure of the invention (provided it meets the qualifications for being patentable), with the intent of enriching the public domain.

    the business practice of filing patents for litigation purposes (sue your competitors out of business because they can't even afford to -defend- themselves) - is equal parts sickening and maddening.

    Patent litigation should have to go through a review process at the USPTO to determine fitness of the claim (paid for by the sue-er, reimbursed by the infringer in the event of guilt).

    instead we wind up having vague patents that are pushed across a reviewer's desk as fast as possible, being enforced in a court of law that does not and should not have the technical expertise to determine veracity of the claim.

    If there was an internal USPTO review process prior to litigation - then they'd have the authority to revoke, suspend, or demand more specific clarification of overly broad patents that slipped through.

    but for some reason there's never a call to restructure the procedures for established government bureaus. even when disaster strikes, and the problems hit the forefront, the solution always seems to be simply to create yet-another-layer of bureaucracy.

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  7. Precedent by SparklesMalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I doubt everything will be reviewed, but if there is a single review of a software patent then there is precedent for more reviews, and hopefully a message to all that patents aren't to be handed out like candy. Unfortunately the General Powers and Duties of the USPTO according to law are 1) to follow the policy of the secretary of commerce, 2) to issue patents, and 3) to disseminate patent information to the public. There is nothing in the general duties about ensuring the patent is "first art".

  8. So wait by Lane.exe · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If they review these patents, and find them to be void, every past legal proceeding involving these patents gets reversed? The decisions no longer hold, etc.? That actually seems unlikely. New laws 9 times out of 10 don't grandfather or reverse old decisions. It makes little sense that overturned patents should also.

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  9. Re:Hmmmm, other motivations.... by kansas1051 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You dont have to be a billionare to force the USPTO to reexamine a patent. Its called inter partes re-examination, ANYONE can file for it, and all you need to do is submit prior art (or even just an argument) that says the patent was granted in error. Its not cheap though, it can cost a few thousand dollars depending on the scope of the reexamination, but it is an affordable option for a company faced with litigation by an over-broad patent.

  10. Re:Anal Gel patent also being reviewed by robslimo · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the patent:

    BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS

    There are no drawings provided.


    Thank goodness, no drawings provided!

  11. Another patent that was re-examined... by gmajor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the bottom of the uspto page (no pun intended):
    METHOD TO IMPROVE PERI-ANAL HYGIENE AFTER A BOWEL MOVEMENT

    Wiping your ass with moist toilet paper was actually patentable. Non-techies might be more interested to hear that absurd patents are not just limited to the technology realm.