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Microsoft Proclaims Death of Free Software Model

geoff313 writes " As previously mentioned here, Microsoft's new wave of FUD has begun to arrive. This time it is courtesy of Bradley Tipp, Microsoft's UK national systems engineer, who spoke at the Microsoft IT Forum in Copenhagen. In this article from ZDNet UK, he is quoted as saying that 'Linux is great' and 'there are a lot of things we should learn from open source' but then is quick to point out that 'We haven't talked to a single user who has said they're using [open source] because it's better.' Another Microsoft employee was quoted as saying 'At least if Linux takes off, their viruses will propagate and we won't be seen as the bad guys any more.' I for one am happy to see that they are taking their new interest in security seriously, and I'm sure you all are too. Most interesting is the assertion that the decision by Red Hat to end support for its free distribution and Novell's aquisition of SUSE marks not only the death of free software, but actually is a validation of Microsoft's business model. Does anyone besides Microsoft see these events as the end of Free software?" I use Free software because it's better; they just didn't ask.

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  1. in other news.. by Worminater · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pigs just landed at JFK airport

  2. Huh??? by justsomebody · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one won't say that I use OSS software because it's better.

    I use it because M$ software is worster

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    1. Re:Huh??? by mkldev · · Score: 5, Funny
      I use it because MS is Worcestershire. Goes well with steak (Longhorn), admittedly, but....

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  3. Isn't Rock-n-Roll dead as well? by Teahouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Always question the person who proclaims a thing dead. Ask if they gain anything from the death. If so, assume they are full of shit.

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    1. Re:Isn't Rock-n-Roll dead as well? by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The string 'dead' does not appear anywhere in the article
      One cannot fully comprehend the article simply by putting it through grep. Here: (emphasis mine)
      Red Hat's decision to end support for its free software and the Novell-SuSE link-up have put the last nail in the coffin of the free-software model, the Redmond behemoth believes
      They also say these two events validate their own business model. Granted, this paragraph and a couple other shots at Linux are right in the middle of much more civil fare, but good FUD is always part poison and part candy.

      Five years ago what young people were interested was technology
      I've been here for five years, though mostly lurking. I've seen the yro stories get 800 comments and the "Announcing the AMD N+1 chip!" get, deservedly, 53. Semi-political stuff is what slashdot has always been popular for, and Microsoft has always been bashed. Now people are feeling that Linux is more ready for the desktop, and that future Microsoft OSes will be so horribly DRM'd that we, if not joe six-pack, will be migrating, so it's no wonder the conflict heats up more than it did in the past.

      Spare me your va-linux conspiracy theories. Slashdot runs stories that get the most comments and get the most page views. It is driven by what we want.
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  4. MS is forgetting a major *distribution* model... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...p2p. As long as p2p exists, Microsoft's own software is "free."

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  5. In other news... by brlewis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pepsi commented that it hasn't spoken to a single customer who said they drank Coca Cola because it tasted better. A senator from Maine said he hadn't spoken to a single constituent who lived in Hawaii because it was warmer. A doctor said she hadn't spoken to a single patient who had never been sick.

    Or...could it be that people who use free software because it is better are not Microsoft users? Nah.

    1. Re:In other news... by dilettante · · Score: 5, Funny

      Based on my own experience with MS software, i think the quote could have been shortened to "We haven't talked to a single user".

  6. Re:MS is forgetting a major *distribution* model.. by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It may be gratis (i.e. Free Beer), but it won't be libre (i.e. Free Speech) until they let users modify and share the source.

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  7. Replace XP? Not... by MycroftMkIV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What makes you think the goal of the Linux O/S is to replace Windows XP?

  8. I use ... by Bananenrepublik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mozilla ... because it's a better web browser and e-mail client
    Linux ... because it's a better firewall, server and router (i.e. GNU/LAMP is a better yaddayadda)
    cygwin ... because it's a better CLI environment
    OpenOffice ... because it's better (exchangeable data formats, no clippy)

    I also think that Free software is better for humanity as a whole, but I'm not dogmatic about it.

    I still use Windows on the desktop, because I didn't yet have time to move everything over to Linux (f*ck NTFS, otherwise I wouldn't have to), and because Soulseek works much better under Windows.

  9. Re:Microsoft are bad guys? by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Linux viruses? Do you have any examples of these beasties?

    If you did a search for it, you'd find that there are. However they are mostly "theoretical" and nobody has yet seriously sat down to design a fast-spreading, damaging Linux virus. (As an aside: there are experimental viruses that are able to infect cross-platform -- i.e., they run on both Windows and Linux. Pretty crazy, huh?)

    Microsoft's point is fundamentally correct however: there are no serious Linux viruses not because they are impossible on Linux, but because Linux just isn't popular enough yet to make it worth the virus writer's time. It makes much more sense to exploit that vast majority of Windows machines. (If you look at Google's Zeitgeist page, you'll see that only 1% of Google queries come from Linux boxes. I consider that a fairly good indicator of the popularity of Linux.)

    None of what I just said should be construed to mean that Microsoft isn't responsible for the security of their operating system. There is a major difference between Windows and Linux viruses: on Windows it is very easy to obtain administrator priviledges, which makes Windows viruses much more dangerous. However, it is dishonest for people to claim that Linux is impervious to viruses. It's not true, and to boastfully make that claim is to court disaster.

  10. Re:What about DOS? by thedillybar · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is coming from Microsoft. They declared that "DOS is DEAD" back when Windows 95 came out.

    Yeah...right...

  11. Re:Bull. by Christianfreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can always tell the average age of people on Slashdot when the concern is wheither or not Linux is better than XP and has a bunch of games. For the record I think that Linux is much simplier to use after you learn it and many of the distros have the same nifty little configuration tools that you can find in Windows. And don't get me started on the number of times I've tried to do some simple thing in Windows XP only to get lost in config "wizard" hell. Win2k isn't nearly as bad about it. XP is a step backward.

    More on Topic: What MS is most worried about is servers. They aren't gaining much ground in that area and Linux is poised to become the dominent player in that area. So MS does what they do best, the spread FUD, in hopes that some PHBs will get scared and stop considering Linux for deployment.

    MS also knows that Corporate embracement of Linux is good for it (and thus bad for them). RedHat is focusing large companies who want top-level support. There isn't anything at all wrong with that as so go the bigger companies the smaller ones follow, until eventually you start seeing it on people's desktops.

    FUD isn't making Linux or free software go away anytime soon.

  12. the rest of the dialog we didn't get to see... by kaan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft: "We haven't talked to a single user who has said they're using [open source] because it's better."

    millions of people: "Ah, but there are millions of us here, and we all use open source solutions because they're better, cheaper, faster, more secure, and easier to maintain."

    Microsoft: "What's that? You say that open source is better?"

    millions of people: "Yes"

    Microsoft: "Right! Then we're not going to talk to you. Now, as we were saying, we haven't talked to a single user..."

    or maybe it was the other way around, and the pro-open source people didn't want to talk to Microsoft, because you know, why bother. And then Microsoft says "we haven't talked to a single user..."

  13. Re:Better at what? by Charlotte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're using the latest Mac then you are using open source software anyway, and I guess you're not using it because you think it's worse than Windows?

    If that's correct then the basic premise of Microsoft is wrong... The point being that open source projects can - and often do - outperform their closed competitors in most every way. You're right that out-of-the-box, they are not as user friendly - yet. But you can have Apple or Suse package them nicely.

    Mind you, the same goes for furniture: you can buy the wood yourself, put it together and make furniture. But it won't be as user friendly as a furniture building packet that you can buy at Ikea's. People who don't want to bother with all this can just buy the same Ikea furniture already put together. And you'll have people who just want nice furniture, no matter what the cost or the supplier and they'll go to the nearest retail shop. That's what happens to commodities: easy to get, lots of choice.

    Here you can see a job for open source: people want choice. But of course Microsoft doesn't want software to become a commodity, it'll destroy their market monopoly.

  14. Re:Bull. by knobmaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly.

    Folks who claim Linux isn't ready for the desktop are poorly informed. I've been using Linux as my main OS for several years now, and for my work (writing) it is much better than Windows.

    Why? Well, here's a little personal history. I started writing oh so many years ago on an Atari ST. When the time finally came to admit that Atari was never going to overtake the PC clone, I bought a Pentium 60 and Wordperfect. I kept Wordperfect through a succession of clones, since it was perfectly adequate for writing professionally.

    As an sf writer and general techfreak, I was almost immediately intrigued with Linux and the open source model. Also, when the web first appeared, you had to know a little Unix to put up a site (my first site was hosted by UNC, like a lot of web pioneers.) So I experimented with a Slackware installation, but at that time, Linux really wasn't ready for the desktop.

    Time passed, Windows progressed, I started building my own boxes and had to actually start paying actual money to put Windows on them. I kept reusing Wordperfect in each new box, even though I worried that someday the big box of floppies might not work. Eventually I tried Redhat 6.1 and discovered that Linux was now ready for the desktop, or at least the desktop of a writer who wasn't much interested in games. I found a copy of Wordperfect for Linux and thought I was set for life. But it got even better when I started using OpenOffice, and knew that my files would be eternally transportable to new machines.

    Couple that eternal transportability with the worry-free nature of Linux online (much less danger of virii, worms, etc.) and with the flexibility of Linux (I can run an Atari emulator and access files from 15 years ago written on the ST) and with the availability of all kinds of software to play with that would cost me an arm and a leg in a Windows environment. It's more fun for me to use Linux on my desktop and more practical.

  15. Areopagetica by scoove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Free software such as Linux is better because it's free

    John Milton wrote an essay about this freedom (in a broader sense) called Areopagetica. It's one of those things journalism majors usually have to wade through their senior year in mass communication history.

    In his time, one in Britain could not print without prior authorization from the crown. The King's official reason for this prohibition was to "protect libel from being spread." Milton argued that it took the public grappling of truth against falsehood to determine what really was true. Without this public airing, you simply could not know whether the facts you had were true or not.

    The closed source vs. open source issue, especially from the perspective of code security and reliability, is inherently linked to this issue argued nearly 400 years ago by Milton. There simply is no way Microsoft can expose its proprietary code to the inspections open source benefits from. The result is horribly broken, insecure and crash-prone Microsoft code vs. a base of increasingly stable open source.

    And the future gets worse for Microsoft. Complexity is the instigator of this dynamic; as software complexity grows, the ability of closed source to hang on evaporates.

    *scoove*