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OSDL To Start Pushing on Desktop Linux

Psyke writes "The Australian Financial Review is reporting that 'IBM, Red Hat and a consortium of computer makers backed by the likes of Dell, Hewlett-Packard and Intel will push to move the Linux operating system out of the back office from next year.' and 'Meanwhile, the OSDL, which has largely worked on improving Linux's ability to run large servers, said it would work on improving Linux's performance on ordinary desktop computers.'" The article itself is a little off- those companies are working *through* the OSDL of which they are members - along with a number of additional companies as well.

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  1. Re:No, really, its not by mccalli · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Linux, a free operating system based upon Unix"...Someone hasn't done their research

    Of course Linux* is based on Unix. It may not be derived from the sources of Unix, but the idea and the running of it most certainly is based on Unix.

    *I'm prepared to accept arguments from the GNU/Linux crowd here.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  2. Way Off... by cnelzie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Other things like, I dunno being able to buy software off the shelf in Best Buy, taking it home and simply running some autorun or one-click installation process, regardless of which distribution of Linux you are using needs to happen...

    Easier configuration, better transparency for applications and functions, a common clip-board and many more things...

    Even corporate desktops need a more cohesive system to be able to install, then later update individual packages without needing to install a dozen other packages, requiring a dozen other packages to be installed, which require still more packages to be installed.

    I have personally run into issues like that when wanting to update things like the version of Mr Project that came with Red Hat 7.3 to the latest release of Mr Project in order to take advantage of some new features. Since there was not a single Red Hat 7.3 Binary package made available, I downloaded the 'generic' RPM and found that I needed to install a dozen things to be able to install it. So... I downloaded the tarbal source and found the SAME problem.

    I love Linux, but it just sucks that I am unable to take a piece of recent software and install on an OS that is NEWER then Windows 98SE without having to update dozens of other pieces of software, when I can still take that old Windows 98SE and run MOST every piece of software that has recently become available. That is one of the largest usability issues keeping Linux from taking desktops over very easily.

    Not everyone wants to update their ENTIRE OS all of the time. Why should people take a handful of hours to most of a day every 6 months or so in order to migrate to the latest release of their chosen Operating System? They shouldn't have to do that. They should be able to install it and update the pieces they need to and then when and IF, they have the time, then they can upgrade to the latest release. There should also be no major issues with doing so...

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  3. Re:Support and pre-installed by swordboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Support by the mainstream computers' builders.

    Therein lies the rub.

    Windows XP is difficult to support because it can be configured to any number of different interfaces (standard XP, Windows "Classic", or any combination in between). Do you honestly expect some headset-fast-food-phone-jockey to figure out what beta version of KDE has been installed? I couldn't do it...

    Redhat has been criticized for "dumbing down" their distro but I applaud them for it. Only when there is one standard, non-configurable interface should open-source be thrown to the desktop wolves. Open source (I refrain from using the term "Linux" because it doesn't include the GUI) has the opportunity to target what is so very wrong with Windows because it doesn't have to worry about the backward compatibility that makes Windows such crap in so many respects. But nobody seems to care about that right now so we have more crap to come. Everyone seems to love having a choice in crap but I digress.

    Short and sweet: wish list

    1) Get rid of the application execution shortcuts and put them in one, easy to use location. Windows has the desktop, the start menu (directly off of the start button), the programs submenu off of the start button, the quick-launch and the system tray. Most programs make use of this and flood the user with shortcuts mainly for the sake of advertising. Susie won't forget to run AOL if we give her 6 different locations from which to start it.

    There's also no reason that entire submenus need to be created off of the start menu. Applications should simply load a single shortcut to themselves instead of putting readme's, uninstallers and other crap in the start menu. It just adds to the clutter and will eventually require scrolling start menus ala Windows. Create some standards - programs could be grouped. Instead of a game creating gratuitous advertising in the start menu (who cares if the game was made by Sierra?), it should simply install a shortcut into the standard "GAMES" submenu. Utilities, Office, etc. One could probably come up with 6 or so default submenus that programs could utilitize.

    2) Use the desktop for something other than the aforementioned annoyance. Maybe build in a tabbed desktop with a control panel on one tab, an extensible calendaring tab on another (I use Palm Desktop and I don't even have a Palm device - calendaring is needed!). Perhaps another "default" tab could be a combination of email, most recently used applications and the calendar. Stick a log-off/shutdown tab in there and maybe a media player, too. Make some freakin' use of this space (besides the pretty wallpaper). Make it all extensible so third parties can make use of it (i.e. - Palm can create a plug-in for the system calendar, third-party media players can embed themselves into the media tab, etc).

    3) User data management - give the users ONE FREAKING PLACE to put data. Sure - Windows might *try* to do this but, ultimately, it does nothing to stop uneducated users from doing the wrong thing. If you've ever had to explain to someone that they shouldn't save their Microsoft Office documents in \PROGRAM FILES\MICROSOFT OFFICE\, then you might know what I am talking about. ONE PLACE... certainly, make it flexible (allow users to share, etc) but for crying out loud.

    4) Program installation - Joe Users don't need to see the intricate details of the files on a program installation (either hard or soft media). Program installations should be ONE file. Joe Users don't need to see everything inside. Additionally, the programs should only have ONE FREAKING LOCATION to which they can install (i.e. - PROGRAM FILES). Once installed, Joe Users should *never* be able to go into this folder and poke around. There's no need for it (but certainly provide the functionality for an advanced user to do so).

    Argh... I'll be here all day of I go on. Ultimately, if someone can point me to someone who cares, I'd be happy to spend a few hours suggesting improvements. Does anyone need a GUI designer?

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  4. Re:What Linux needs for desktop use. by revividus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Just some thoughts... if IBM/et al. are just pushing one particular distro (or standard base)....

    1. Need for standards: As long as all the default apps work well together, that will be the de facto standard; the new linux users will not know the difference, and as they get more experience, could experiment on their own.
    2. Hardware support: I may have just been lucky in my choices of hardware so far.... But isn't this area fairly good right now? (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). Also, if Linux were pre-installed on desktops, the manufacturer would have tested ahead-of-time and presumably chosen only appropriate hardware.
    3. DirectX equivalent: I guess I agree with you here.
    4. Support for ACPI: Doesn't it already? I don't use firewire, but when I plug my USB printer into my gentoo box, it detects it. Maybe I lucked out again, I don't consider myself an expert by any stretch of the imagination....

    So, I agree with you, but I guess I don't feel like linux could be very far from success in these areas.... IMHO.