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Forbes Examines SCO Subpoenas

z4ce writes "It seems that Daniel Lyons of Forbes just wrote yet another article on the IBM vs. SCO law suit. Now, Daniel seems to seeing SCO for the liars they are. One of the choice quotes include, "What's the point of hassling people who make chips and set-top boxes? Don't ask SCO's top execs. They don't know anything about this stuff, remember?""

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  1. Congrats, Forbes by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system is not the target of SCO's suit. Linux, the program SCO is targeting, is not an operating system, but only the kernel of the GNU/Linux operating system, which could run using a different kernel.

    It's refreshing to see mainstream media getting it right.

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    1. Re:Congrats, Forbes by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system is not the target of SCO's suit. Linux, the program SCO is targeting, is not an operating system, but only the kernel of the GNU/Linux operating system, which could run using a different kernel.

      Nope, the press is still wrong-headed about this. Firstly, the operating system is not RMS's, although he certainly made valuable contributions toward it. Secondly, if the GNU/Linux operating system were to use a different kernel, then it would be the GNU/XXXXX operating system. This bolsters my impression that RMS is always trying to keep the positive associations of the word 'Linux', while at the same time insisting that the work of Linus et al. is a disposable commodity. Weasel words, if you ask me.

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  2. blah by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jeese I'm tired of hearing about SCO.

    I wish Moore's law applied to the speed of lawsuits as well.

    1. Re:blah by mopslik · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wish Moore's law applied to the speed of lawsuits as well.

      Actually, Moore's Law applies to the number of lawsuits today.

  3. Holy shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stallman says the Boston-based Free Software Foundation, which he founded in 1985, has nothing to do with SCO's lawsuit. "SCO is suing IBM for violating a contract. We don't even know what the contract said. In terms of the resolution of that lawsuit, the Free Software Foundation is entirely uninvolved," he says.

    Holy shit! RMS talked to a member of the press and DIDN'T come off looking like a smug, reality-disconnected jackass!

    Truly amazing.

  4. This isnt a desperation move, not to SCOs thinking by j0keralpha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would seem to an outside observer that SCO is getting desperate and seeking discovery from anyone they can get their hands on(this is alluded to in the article). Im not sure thats how they are thinking. SCOs logic trail seems to follow two basic paths:

    1. We know there is UNIX code in linux, and we need to bring in as many people as possible to show how fragmented and uncontrolled Linux Development is. This will make the court favor us, as we can show a lack of true orginization on the defendants part (the defendant being Linux, not the legal defendant e.g. IBM).

    2. We have gone on record disclosing that our revenue model is largely based around SCOSource, which is largely based around people paying us for our IP. Ergo, we have to show people that we can win(otherwise we have no IP to charge people for), and to do this we must undermine Linux's Credibility.

    The practical upshot is that the 'buckshot' discovery model is aimed partially at garnering as much information possible (relevant or not) and partially to illustrate to the court that there is no one authoritative 'source' to the problem (thereby undermining the general credibility of linux with the court, making the court more inclined to see it as a dangerous conglomeration of not-necessarily-IP-abiding individuals.)

    I know this is supposition, but like many of the other theories about why SCO is doing what they are doing it fits well in the facts.

  5. Re:Daniel Lyons ? by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quite a change in tone !

    Maybe his last cheque from Darl & co. bounced..

  6. RMS is right by Scholasticus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' and thinking that our work on free software was motivated by the ideas associated with 'open source.' These confusions lead users away from the basic issue: their freedom. By comparison, the events involving SCO are transitory and almost trivial," Stallman says.

    I think RMS is making an excellent point here. Though the Linux kernel itself is not trivial, these issues surrounding SCO will in the long run become trivial. I have no doubt that the GPL and therefore software freedom will be upheld in court, even if worse comes to worst with the Linux kernel (however unlikely that is). Yes, SCO is crazy/dangerous, but in the long run they can't really hurt free and open source software.

  7. Re:This isnt a desperation move, not to SCOs think by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    we need to bring in as many people as possible to show how fragmented and uncontrolled Linux Development is .. and to that end, we are going to subpoena people who have nothing to do with Linux kernel development.

    Of course, if you look at it crosseyed enough, it starts to make a little sense.. by bringing to the stand people who have nothing to do with it, you make them seem even more fragmented and uncontrolled...

    "Mr Stallman, let's talk about the Linux kernel code you contributed.."

    "I've never made any contributions to the Linux kernel."

    "Ahh - so then let's talk about the code that you didn't contribute, then."

    "What?!?!"

    "Your Honor, see how fragmented and uncontrolled they are!"

  8. Finally Truthfull Headline from SCO by bstadil · · Score: 5, Funny
    The headline from SCO may be a Freudian slip of sorts.

    Press Relaese

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  9. Re:Argh! by bahamat · · Score: 5, Informative

    How about we just hear about it once a day until either its settled

    I must have missed it, and it's not showing up in the search either. Could you please post a link to today's previous SCO story? No? How about the two from yesterday then? The two from the previous day? Any stories from the 3 days before that? In fact, there have only been 7 stories in the past 14 days. That would be (averaged) one every two days. Are you proposing more SCO stories?

    Have you never looked at your preferences Mr. FortKnox? Do you see that big section entitled "Exclude Stories from the Homepage"? Click Caldera and you'll never have to bother with it again. That's what that feature is for: so you don't have to hear about subjects you don't want and we don't have to hear you complain.

  10. Re:Confusion ... by ntsucks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sums it up. SCO is suing IBM for breach of contract, nothing more, nothing less. What dows Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman et al have to do with this contract? did they sign it?

    Civil litigation is not always about achieving equitible settlement. Its very often about intimidation, marketing, public relations, bragging rights, money, etc. To achieve these goals lawyers regularly entangle as many related entities as possible. Its FUD and intimidation.

    A few years ago I changed jobs. My old employer sued me, my new employer, and a corporate officer of my new employer. They sued with an overly broad interpretation of violating a non-compete clause I had signed with them. (They claimed any other job in computer programming was competing.) They knew they would not win the case and they sued my new employer who did not sign the non-compete contract. In the end the judge rendered summary judgement and dismissed their case. BUT-- Guess what? Mission accomplished. I had to hire a lawyer and go to court. So did my new employer and its officer. Ever try to buy a house when you are being sued? Banks don't like to lend money to people being sued. Now other employees of my old company were scared to leave and my new employer had financial incentive not to hire any more of my former co-workers.

    SCO is undertaking a similar but grander plan. They are doing some discovery, I am sure, but they also want to intimidate Linux developers, waste their time, and cause them to run up legal bills. They want to do the same for Linux companies.
    Thus, providing incentives to "see it there way". It also serves to muddy the public reputation of GNU/Linux itself, its developers, and Linux companies. The later provides a clear marketing reason to pay SCO license fees. All of this also drags out the case, keeping the Linux FUD out there for people to see for a longer period of time. Which of course provides reasons to settle or license up.

    SCO's tatics here are the norm, I would expect more of the same in the future.

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  11. Re:This isnt a desperation move, not to SCOs think by fishbonez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The target is money. Plain and simple. SCO will do whatever it can to make money with this sharpened scheme. Originally, the idea was to get bought out by IBM hence the agreement with Boies' law firm granting them ownership in the event of sale. Then the idea was to force IBM to idemnify its customers so it could get a settlement from IBM's insurance company. Now the idea is to avoid actually complying with disclosure and revealing that they don't actually know what code has supposedly been misappropriated. To stall they are sending subpoenas to everyone remotely connected to Linux so they can supply large amounts of useless information to IBM and claim to the court that they are complying with disclosure requests. IANAL but I know one from TV and his name is Matlock.

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