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Microsoft Defies EU Commission

otahkgeek writes "Wired News is reporting that Microsoft claims that by removing Windows Media Player from Windows, it would be forced to ship a substandard version to European consumers. This is on the heels of a three-day hearing by a European commission to determine the validity of charges that Microsoft illegally abused its power over the home computer market."

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  1. It's kind of pointless trying to persuade them by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Microsoft has always taken the most contrary stance possible to it's critics, be they consumer or judicial - or even government. Acts of persuausion or coercion by the E.U. are pointless. Microsoft will never change their ways unless they punished, period.

    At some point someone is going to have to stand up to them. Being able to dodge bullets wouldn't hurt, but hopefully, whoever finally does won't have to.

    1. Re:It's kind of pointless trying to persuade them by mozumder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Meanwhile, I take the view that we should let Microsoft do whatever they want. Let them force hardware makers to bundle WMP9 or IE. That'll only force people to build upon non-MS operating systems, such as Linux or MacOS.

      The competition exists, and microsoft's 90% share in the marketplace isn't insurmountable, as the leading-edge users are still going to innovate on Linux or Mac.

      The only question is how many people are developing for linux or macs vs. windows....

  2. It's ok, it's a "function" of Windows by obsid1an · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "The Commission calls it a product, but Microsoft considers it one function of Windows..."

    So what exactly isn't an OS supposed to do? This argument could be made for ANYTHING MS wanted to put into Windows.

    Internet browsing, function.

    Media player, function.

    Word & speadsheet processing, function.

    Image editing, function.

    Developer IDE, function.

    Cost of OS, $400.

  3. Re:Maybe they're emulating the President by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MS is basically daring the EU to try to punish it, because they can't without hurting themselves. If MS were to pull out of Europe, the damage would be huge.

    Sure, all of Europe could convert to Linux... but they'd be forced to. As a result, a lot of hardware would have to be replaced and a lot of software would have to be replaced. Banning Windows would be quite the expensive proposition, and MS could damage the whole EU economy by threatening to walk... Bully Bill will get his way.

  4. Re:Ban 'em! by Bastian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With a near 100% profit margin on Windows, enough money in their coffers to end world hunger if they ever felt like it, and the various versions of Windows having several hundred dollar price tags, I don't think Microsoft has much to fear from a $20 per copy fee.

    And firmer means are kind of scary to implement. Even the EU is so Windows-dependent that a ban on imports until Media Player is removed could cause some serious problems if Microsoft decides to wait it out instead of complying right away.

  5. Microsoft does have a point... by olePigeon+(Wik) · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Those "features" should, however, be optional.

    Completely removing Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer is going a little too far. They should just implement some of the earlier suggestions in the U.S. trials by making each of those "features" an optional install at the BEGINNING of the install process. Have a Customize button just like in Mac OS that lets you choose which features you want to have installed on the OS.

    I think the difference between an Application and an OS feature for Microsoft is whether or not those "features" are available for other operating systems. For example, Windows Media Player should not be a feature because it's a full fledged application for Mac OS. Likewise with Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer (though Microsoft could get away with Explorer still since they no longer offer it for Mac OS.)

    I find it irksome that when it comes to security Microsoft likes to point out the distinctions between "features" and OS when considering a security hole. If there's a security problem with Internet Explorer, they don't call it Windows, they make sure everyone knows it's just Internet Explorer and not the "OS". Likewise if there's a problem with Windows, it has nothing to do with Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, etc.

    So if Microsoft likes to refer to these "features" as separate entities in relation to security, then they should be treated as such and made removable during installation.

  6. Re:As if this was a bad thing... by herrvinny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nonsense, I use WMP for my music all the time. The trick is to disable the DRM feature. On my Win XP computer, open up Media Player, go to Tools, Options. On the Options window, go to the Copy Music tab, and make sure the "Protect content" box is unchecked.

    Windows Media Player is stable, and it organizes my music nicely (Granted, I don't have a huge collection of music, so YMMV). I've had IE crash on me more times than WMP has (IE has crashed more in these last few days than since I got it; it's probably because the laptop isn't Suspending properly. Anyway, WMP has crashed maybe once or twice. Not too shabby), and WMP is constantly running in the background. Dell shipped MusicMatch Jukebox preloaded onto my laptop, but I haven't used it, nor do I intend to. Dell's branded version of Musicmatch is, in my opinion, buggy and bloated.

    Not to mention, I downloaded MusicMatch onto my 5 yr old Compaq Armada, running Win 98, and it's as slow as molasses when loading and running MusicMatch. Interestingly enough, when I uninstalled MusicMatch and installed the latest version of WMP (keep in mind this is a 5yr old Win 98 Compaq Armada) it worked fine. So I left WMP on it.

    Say what you like about MS software, but WMP is off limits. It's a good program. Besides, what is Joe Sixpack going to do without WMP? Search around for other solutions? No way. Joe probably doesn't know there are alternate programs for music playback.

  7. Re:Let the battle begin! by SiliBelgian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before you move to Europe, do some looking around first. They're just as capitalistic as the US.

    Well, I'm from Belgium (obviously), and I have the impression our government watches big corporations VERY closely as such matters are concerned. Sure, we are capitalistic too, because we support the free market and open up government businesses for denationalisation.
    But our government is not turning fascist on us, it doesn't restrict civil liberties because the Corporation asks them. They have no reason to, because political parties can't accept money from companies without creatin an extensively-covered scandal.

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    "Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun."
  8. Shamefully, you can get such things now. by twitter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Will the substandard DRM free, anti American version be available in North America for purchase or will I have to pirate a copy.

    I'm not sure about anti-American, but Knoppix is not hard to find in the US, yet. You don't need to break any laws to download and run it either, yet.

    Oh yeah, "Digital Rights Management" is un-American. It gimps my press and that violates the First Amendment to the Constitution, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." When someone else has control of what files can and can't be coppied or created on my primary writng instrument, I have no free press, speech or ability to petition my government. If I'm unable to share files from my primary writing instrument, I'm effectively forbiden to publish. Nothing short of universal censorship will make DRM work and nothing could be less American than that.

    Microsoft is not just an embarasement to the technical community, they are an embarasement to all of us.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  9. Re:Who'll blink first? by mikeee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Starting Tuesday, we will no longer recognize Microsoft copyrights in Europe."