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The Elegant Universe, Now Available Online

Photon Ghoul writes "PBS has made available online all three hours of the NOVA program on unified theory. Formats are QuickTime and RealVideo with each hour broken up into eight chapters each." I watched the whole thing, and while it's clearly for a lay audience (no math required), it was fun and informative. I was pleased to note that dissenting views on whether string theory was science were presented, and even brief discussion of what constitutes science.

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  1. The coolest by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I loved this program when it aired. BUT, the coolest thing on the planet will go to the fist d00d or gal who puts a torrent available for each or all episodes ;) What a thing to do on a Friday night.

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  2. I tried to order the DVD set by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So instead of waiting for torrents, I tried to order the DVD set plus book. Now they are telling me it'll be released January 2004. I might as well wait for the torrents and make my own DVD. I have it sooner than that!

    Still, I'd rather buy the $32 DVD set. Hey its good television. Support PBS!

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  3. Re:Tell them.... by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dude, NOVA should be on everyone's *geek* list of TV shows to watch. I will gladly spend $32 (DVD + book) to support this program. Along with it and Frontline makes PBS worth watching.

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  4. I can't wait for by AndreyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This program seems to be the new hip intellectual thing to talk about at my school (highschool)... really shows how dumb people are I think... Not that I didn't enjoy it, it's great "infotainment", it's just that anyone with any calc knowledge can go a much longer way into understanding this stuff if they look at better sources (the book for one)...

  5. Re:Experiment is what counts by Listen+Up · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing that even the people at NOVA have misinterpreted, and I wish they hadn't, is that there is a difference between applied science and pure science. They are not the same.

    I am a pure mathematician and my passion and work is in pure science. What I do is explore pure mathematics. None of my work will most likely ever be directly appliable to experiment. But, some day the work that I do, along with many other mathematicians will provide the foundation, the pure science, which physics will be able to use for experimental understanding. Without pure scientific understanding, experimentation can never be anything more than observation.

    What 'string theory' should be more properly stated as is 'string hypothesis'. It is certainly not yet a true theory and it is certainly not yet a law. Currently, it is purely a hypothetical explanation and possible prediction model. That does not make it any less powerful or less important. Some day it may prove to be the 'bridge' that is needed to complete one more piece or pieces of the grand puzzle. Although, alone it does not need to be experimentally verifiable. And it is certainly not philosophy.

  6. Re:Since when... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They are trying to keep people interested, and special effects and exciting narrative help with that.

    I think that the fact that they had to pack so many effects into the show to keep today's audience interested is mainly a reflection of the sad state of the MTV generation's attention span.

    Actually, I was fine with the visual effects that demonstrated the physics priniciples. Computer graphics are available; why not use them. What stood out to me was the need to keep something, anything moving on the screen at all times. Thus, all the strange sliding panels contantly shuffling back and forth in the background behind the various extra-smart scientists as they talked.

    The producers must have reasoned that the target audience was so used to being fed spinning logos, scrolling textbars, subsecond edit cuts and webpage-like clutter, that if they saw nothing but someone sitting still talking, then they'd assume the TV must somehow be broken.

  7. NOVA gone wrong by snStarter · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm surprised that the slash-dot group really liked this series. I know I found it frothy, heavy on the ol' special effects (I had the feeling that SOMEONE in the production team got a new non-linear editing system and just absolutely had to play with every possible feature). The first installment was by far the strongest.

    I've disliked Nova increasingly over the past few years - all the re-enactments (Gallileo for example) - they've gotten all touchy-feely. I have this awful thought that liberal-arts people, who are intrinsicly afraid of technology, would rather do dramas than do hard looks at science.

  8. Re: Great Show by wviperw · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Its been said that scientists don't really understand a subject until they can explain it in laymen's terms--IOW, no math, no complex concepts.

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  9. Re:Experiment is what counts by Jagasian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mathematics is not science. It is mathematics. Math is its own thing, and unless you take an extreme Platonic foundation of mathematics... math is not explored, it is created. That is, math is simply about pure mental constructions, and doesn't necessarily have any connection to the "outside world" or "reality".

    As a fan of math myself (I am currently playing with non-well-founded axiomatic set theory), it irks me when people claim that math is a science, or has applications as its purpose. Similarly, it is bothersome when people bring religious concepts such as the Platonic Realm into math.

    The very intent of math is to have certainty, not faith in the external existence of mathematical objects - somehow independent and trancendental apart from our minds.

    Who knows, maybe these theories do exist independently from our thought, but we can't confirm this. However, we can confirm our own thought's existence, and therefore math should be founded on such a thing.

    String Theory is either a religion or philosophy in that it makes a claim about reality based on nothing other than faith. It is just as valid a science as creationism. I do find String Theory to be more interesting though as it makes use of interesting math :)

  10. No explanaiton of equal red-shift by pauljlucas · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In Carl Sagan's "Cosmos," an explanation was given as why it should be the case that we observe objects in space all red-shifted equally in every direction. The theory presented was that our 3-physical dimension universe was warped into a 4th physical dimension like a sphere. We (our galaxy), along with every other galaxy, is on the "surface" of this hypersphere. As the universe expands (much like blowing air into a balloon), the "surface" area of the hypersphere increases. Every point on the "surface" is equal to every other and all are moving away from each other. The "center" of the universe is the center of the hypersphere and does not exist within what we know of as 3-dimensional "space." With 4 space dimensions, "time" is relegated to the 5th.

    However, I've never heard mention of the above theory since, including in "The Elegant Universe" (unless I somehow missed it). Yes, String Theory requires 11 dimensions total, but (apparantly) all of the 7 "extra" dimensions beyond the 3-phsycical and 1-time dimensions are "all curled up" and very small. In contrast, the 4th-physical dimension mentioned in "Cosmos" is the size of the entire universe.

    So the question is: is the theory of the 4th-physical dimension and the "hypershpere universe" as presented in "Cosmos" still believed to be true?

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    1. Re:No explanaiton of equal red-shift by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The analogy between expansion of the universe and expansion of a balloon is just that, an analogy. Just like all analogies in physics, it breaks down if you push it too far.

      Space-time is 4-dimensional, but curved in such a way that it is not possible to embed the curved 4-D space-time into a flat 5-D space - or even a flat space of any finite dimension.

      For an example, take a one-dimensional piece of string. Now I can curve this into something that can be embedded in two dimensions (say, by wrapping it into a circle), but I can also curve it in a way that cannot be embedded in two dimensions. ie, as well as curving it along a plane, curve it out of the plane, as in a ball of string.

      If you apply an arbitary curve do an N-dimensional surface, you cannot, in general, embed this in N+1 dimensions. In the example of a ball of string, we needed N+2 dimensions. Going further, we could wrap the string around a 4-dimensional hypercube (although that is a little harder to demonstrate;-), and an ant walking along the string will still think its in a 1D universe.

      In summary, it is not meaningful to think of space-time as being 'curved into an extra dimension', except as a very rough first-approximation. Just like the ant walking along a piece of string, you can curve it in much more interesting ways than is allowed by just adding one extra dimension.