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Genetic Algorithms and Compiler Optimizations

mfago writes "Scott Robert Ladd has written an enlightening article and accompanying software package that utilizes genetic algorithms to optimize the optimization flags fed to a compiler. Those who have tried to squeeze the last drop of performance from a code know that it can be very difficult to determine the set of optimization flags beyond -O3 (with gcc for example) that yields the best performance. Lots of background links included in the article."

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  1. Beware the simple, elegant solution. by Thinkit3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Toss around terms like genetic algorithm and neural networks, and some are dazzled by the elegance and simplicity of it. Well, then there's reality, which is often neither elegant nor simple. In Go, there is a computer player that utilizes neural networks, yet it is near the middle of the pack.

    A good dose of skepticism should accompany any examination of the dazzingly elegant solution.

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    1. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, a good dose of skepticism should accompany such things... however, this particular example is one in which the search-space is finite, and you're using a genetic algorithm to cleverly navigate this space.

      Neural networks are good when there is a massive amount of unknowns to deal with, and you're better off handling any patterns you can detect, but this is just a simple case of using a new(-ish) method to compare runs with (nearly?) all parameters. Nothing to be skeptical about, really.

    2. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by tessaiga · · Score: 4, Funny
      In Go, there is a computer player that utilizes neural networks, yet it is near the middle of the pack.

      Wait, I'm confused; I thought on Slashdot we're supposed to wait for someone to mention Chess before we bring up Go?

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    3. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by koekepeer · · Score: 4, Funny

      anyways think about the overkill of developing such an elegant solution for such a minor problem. i mean those few percentages of performance enhancement...

      anyway, i think it *is* really cool this guy finds it interesting to tackle this 'problem' with a genetic algorithm. why not try some bayesian networks next? support vector machines? improbability drives...

      ooops, i'm getting carried away. sorry 'bout that. /me bows in admiration

      (not intended as flamebait but mod me to hell anyway *evil grin*)

    4. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by zanerock · · Score: 4, Funny

      Neural networks != genetic algorithms

      Slow Go player != inelegant solution

      I was going to dissagree with you, but I'm not even sure what your arguments are. Do you have any reason to believe that the solution for the problem discussed in the article is inelegant or innefficient, or did you just get a bad grade in your AI class?

    5. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by pnatural · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because you have a single data point from a related problem domain (that does not even use the same solution!) and the single data point does not perform well, the concepts presented in this article are what? Flawed?

      I suspect you either do not understand genetic algorithms, or that you do not have experience in a problem domain where GA could have been successfully used.

      Just because you don't understand GA doesn't mean that GA isn't applicable to this problem. I recently had a problem to solve similar to the problem outlined in the article (optimizing results with N variables, where N > 5) and the GA solution beat the pants off the brute-force solution.

      Note that I'm actually not saying that GA is a panacea; rather, I'm saying that for some problem domains, like the one in the article, it makes a whole lot of sense.

    6. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by mfago · · Score: 4, Interesting

      anyways think about the overkill of developing such an elegant solution for such a minor problem. i mean those few percentages of performance enhancement...

      I'm sure some people would love a few percent improvement in their SPEC results...

      Personally, I have an algorithm that I'm running hundreds of millions of times as part of a larger calculation for my PhD research. I'd love a "few percent" improvement simply by changing the compiler flags.

      Acovea is curently a research tool in its own right, and not quite ready for application to general problems. Some issues that require modest effort to resolve:

      1) Code currently is pentium3/4 centric
      2) Optimizes flags for gcc 3.4 or intel's compiler
      3) Cannot easily handle code residing in more than one file.

    7. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Neural networks are well-suited for tweaking the (possibly numerous) parameters of an established algorithm. It's good for finding good local maxima on n-parameter functions. Another technique for this is simulated annealing.

      It's the cleverness of the algorithm that makes a computerised Go player good. Using a simple stinky algorithm and tweaking its parameters isn't going to turn a mediocre Go player program into a great one.

      As always, you pick the solution that fits the problem.

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    8. Re:Beware the simple, elegant solution. by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What we should be most skeptical about is that Mr. Ladd wanted to study the effects of using a GA on optimization, yet he neglected to run a control sample involving random perturbation of options from the start case (-O1 or -O3), without selection.

      If, as I suspect, the search space is disorderly, then random perturbation should, among the same number of test compilations, be able to find a solution comparable to that which his GA finds.

  2. Isn't this the Windows technique? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That is, fiddle with settings at random until it's acceptable?

  3. I did for this for my Ph.D. defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It turns out that hand tuning will ALWAYS get you the best optimizations, but human nature dictates that a certain portion of optimizations will never be found. Genetic algorithms will find some of these optimizations in a reasonable time, but not all. So the bottom line is, no code can ever be 100% optimized, unless it is compiled for weeks.

  4. cool application for GA by millette · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a very neat application of genetic algoriths! Haven't seen something so interesting since this Tron cycle game.

  5. Skepticism by wdavies · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It actually seems like a good idea.Some problems I can imagine are optimization flags may have non speed related side-effects?

    However, this seems like a great candidate for GA's - a fitness function (ie speed of execution), and a nice binary vector of atributes (flags).

    Interesting that the gains aren't that great it would seem to sugges that the flags don't do much :) or maybe the base-line is already close to optimal, and so it isnt a hard problem?

    But Kudos nevertheless. No expert in the GA field, so its possible someones tackled this before, but if they haven't, extra Kudos.

    Winton

  6. fragile GA, and what this is and isn't by kisrael · · Score: 5, Informative

    An important thing to note is that this isn't coming up with new optimizations, but rather finding the optimal mix of pre-existing gcc optimizations.

    It's an important distinction. When you're trying to do breed some really new system using Genetic Algorithms, it's possible to get some very fragile results, i.e. systems that do the job incredibly efficiently, but only under certain conditions...

    For instance, I remember reading some folks were trying to "breed" a circuit using Genetic Algorithm like techniques that created a "pulser" using as few gates as possible. They got something that used like one tenth the number of logic gates of the previous low record...but didn't work when they moved the setup away from their desktop PCs. Turned out what they "discovered" was a sensitive RF receiver that picked up (I think) something like the normal 120V cycling, and utilized. Similarly, a lot of the bred ciruits are extremely sensitive to temperature and other conditions.

    So breeding for efficiency can be a bit dangerous, you get things that rely on odd side-effects and environmental states. Though I think the method the article describes isn't much more dangerous than normal optimization selection, though admittedly more likely to stumble over some unusual flag combination that might break under certain circumstances.

    In short, *if* GA is ever going to let software development become more like gardening than engineering, (something I've herd as a goal) we're going to have to find ways to apply very general evolutionary pressures, complex test environments.

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    1. Re:fragile GA, and what this is and isn't by elmartinos · · Score: 3, Informative
      When you're trying to do breed some really new system using Genetic Algorithms, it's possible to get some very fragile results, i.e. systems that do the job incredibly efficiently, but only under certain conditions...
      This is not a problem of the Genetic Algorithm in general, this is the problem of the fitness function: The GA always tries to produce something wich gets the best out of the fitness function (e.g, a pulser with as few gates as possible). If the fitness function also uses the stability of the result in its calculations, (which it should!), the GA will try to create very stable solutions.
  7. Compiler optimisations don't win you much ... by MrDelSarto · · Score: 3, Informative
    Todd Proebsting has a "law" like Moore's law ... from his webpage
    Moore's Law" asserts that advances in hardware double computing power every 18 months. I (immodestly) assert "Proebsting's Law", which says that advances in compiler optimizations double computing power every 18 years.

    There is more information on his webpage. It's not strictly true -- compilers have moving targets (different architectures and hardware optimisations over time, greater complexity in languages, etc etc), and for important things like scientific applications compilers can really optimise code; but in general R&D towards compiler development seems to be sorely lacking compared to other areas.

    I work on IA64, which is fundamentally designed to take advantage of smarter compilers. While there are some interesting projects (ORC for example) nothing is really close to ready to take over gcc/intel compiler. We really want something that compiles once, can profile code execution and then recompile to optimise based on the execution profile; something along the lines of what this article talks about but built right into the compiler.
  8. Why use a GA? by eclarkso · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In general, the literature suggests that GAs tend to be a kind of 'jack of all trades, master of none' type approach. See, e.g., Russell & Norvig's AI: A Modern Approach textbook.

    As such, is there any justification for using a GA to do this rather than, say, simulated annealing? I'd would be interested to see a comparison of the two approaches. Especially in light of papers like this one.

  9. How bumpy is the problem? Do you need a GA? by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You could probably get equally good results with plain hill-climbing. Turn on all the optimizations. Then turn them off one at a time and see if things get better. Repeat until no improvement is observed.

    Any time you consider using a broad-front search algorithm like a GA, a neural net, or simulated annealing, try plain-hill climbing first. If you try any broad-front search, compare it with plain-hill climbing. Only if the space being searched is dominated by local maxima (but not too many of them) do the broad-front algorithms help. And they're always slower.

    If this guy had demonstrated that a GA did better than a plain hill-climber, he'd have an interesting result. But he hasn't demonstrated that.

    1. Re:How bumpy is the problem? Do you need a GA? by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 3, Informative

      You could probably get equally good results with plain hill-climbing. Turn on all the optimizations. Then turn them off one at a time and see if things get better. Repeat until no improvement is observed.

      It is known that some optimisations can disable others. For example, "merge frequently called functions with parent" will penalise "store frequently used variables in registers" or "give priority to inner-most loop variables in registers". You could certainly build on the research in this article. What are the best types of optimisations for different types of algorithm (B-tree traversal, matrix-vector mathematics, text-editing). Does compiling different modules of an application provide improved performance over compiling all modules with the same set of flags?

  10. Shortcomings by hibiki_r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having worked on applying GAs to multi-objective optimization, I don't belive that this technique can be used effectively to optimize most programs.

    The main issue is to compare the individuals generated by the genetic algorithm. To do so, we need to both compile the program under the specified settings, and then to be able to benchmark its performance. In my current job, a full build of our main product takes over 12 hours on an 8 CPU machine. Using a pretty conservative estimate, 100 generations with 100 individuals each, we'd be talking about more than a year of CPU time for a single run of the algorithm!

    Even if we could ignore the amount of time required for compilation, we still have a second, more important flaw: Most programs out there are not really that easy to benchmark automatically. Database applications might need to go back to a known DB state to be able to run the benchmark faily. Also, server apps need to have the exact same load for every test if we want to be able to compare two executables fairly. This problem is increased when many compiler options will just create a 1% performance improvement or so. A poorly run system could lead the comparison function to just pick the wrong executable if the two executables didn't run in the exact same conditions.

    I see how using GE for this task has a high coolness factor, and how it might even be usable for applications that are by nature easier to benchmark, but don't expect this technique to be applicable to enterprise-sized server applications, or even most GUI based apps any time soon.

  11. No, GAs make great sense... by cduffy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...because they were able to pick out combinations of optimizations that measuring each optimization individually wouldn't have discovered.

    Consider the case in huffbench when
    -fmove-all-movables, -freduce-all-givs and -ftracer were discovered to result in great improvements when used with the other GA-selected optimizations -- but not when applied directly to -O3.

    Sure, these situations may be specific to the test cases -- but that's not to say his software can't be used to evaluate real-world scenarios as well, such that companies doing a final release compile of their code let a GA churn for a few days to determine the best flags to use.

    That's a Good Thing, no?

  12. Re:GAs wrong tool for the job by GlassHeart · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Why couldn't he just measure performance with and without each optimization and see which had the greatest improvement? Yes, this might not take into account interactions between different optimizations, but to the extent such interactions occur, it would probably be specific to his test cases anyway.

    That's exactly the point. The goal is not to find a set of gcc switches that will work best on any program on any supported platform. The goal is to find the set that works best with this particular input, without human guidance.

    10% or 20% improvements in compiler performance are of largely academic interest only these days most software's time is spent waiting on user input, disk IO, or network activity anyway?

    First of all, what if you can get the 10% or 20% basically for free? That is, simply run your compile for a few unattended days to get the optimization? What is not worth human tweaking time can easily be worth machine time. Gentoo, although I do not use it myself, appears to be a vibrant Linux distribution based exactly on this point.

    Secondly, most existing software are running on small CPUs all around you, not on your desktop. The constraints of memory usage and CPU power are still very real for them.

    Finally, consider also that more efficient software may result in more idle hardware and lower power consumption. Imagine if all PCs in the world can get by with 5% less electrical power.

  13. The Golden Rule of Optimization by rhysweatherley · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Never forget the Golden Rule of Optimization: a quicksort compiled with no optimization will invariably beat the pants off a bubblesort compiled with the best optimizer in the universe.

    Optimizers change the constants in the algorithm running time. They cannot change the algorithm's order.

    With the exception of high-performance computing, no one needs a super-optimizing compiler any more. Instead, they need to (re-)learn basic algorithm and data structure theory.

  14. Other ideas by adjuster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This gets me thinking about Nat Friedman's GNU-rope (Grope) project. I heard him talk at ALS back in '98 and then the project seemed to completely disappear. Searching on "gnu.rope" leads to a few mailing list postings asking "where'd it go", but no good information about the project.

    The basic idea was to reorder the functions in an executable so that locality of reference was maximized and cache hits were increased. The result is less paging and better performance and memory usage.

    The really interesting bit is that the optimization is based on the usage of the program being optimized-- that is to say that my Grope-optimized version of Mozilla might be different than yours based on my differences in usage (i.e. perhaps I browse with images turned off, etc).

    The tie-in to the article here is that Nat's system, Grope, used simulated annealing to traverse the n-dimensional space of potential function arrangements and profiled the memory paging of the application as a fitness function of the new arrangement. It's not a GA-- but it's functionally similar.

    So-- anybody know what happened to Grope? I'd imagine that a community would spring up around it fairly quickly given the relatively high number of "performance zealots" who are busy "tricking out" their Linux boxes by compiling everything from scratch (think Gentoo) optimized for their procesor. Now they can add the "spolier" or "racing stripe" of having exectuables specifically re-ordered for their personal usage patterns! *smirk*

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    1. Re:Other ideas by bloosqr · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think this is actually what most two pass compilers will do. The intel compilers have this option for instance. Basically you compile w/ profiling on and on the second pass it using the runtime profiling data to recompile source to a new object code. (btw the intel compilers are "free" for opensource/nonprofit use). W/ regards to using GA/SA as part of the optimization it would be (to be honest) a bit weird to have a nondeterministic compiler since in different runs you may end up w/ different optimizations.

      -bloo

  15. Reliability, and porting to Macintoshes... by billstewart · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Doing lots of Pentium-specific tweaks in your code may be zero or negative help when somebody wants to run it on a Macintosh....

    More importantly, tweaking code for heavy optimization is not usually a good job for humans. It's fine if you've got a piece of hardware that you have to tweak the last few percent performance out of for an application that will run for many CPU-years, but you're almost always much better off if you

    • Pick good algorithms
    • Leave bit-bashing loop-twiddly optimization tricks to the compiler, and
    • Put your human creativity skills to work on the next revision of your code, or on your next project if this one is done.
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  16. GA exploit environments' flaws by Hjallli · · Score: 3, Informative

    The "folks" you refer to is Professor Adrian Thompson of the University of Sussex. A paper describing his interesting experiment can be found here. It was actually a flawed FPGA chip he was programming.

    Another example of this tendency of Genetic Algorithms to make use of helpful "flaws" in their environments can be found in the works of Karl Sims. A round-off error in his physics model resulted in some weird locomotion by a branch of virtual creatures.

    You will find details of both examples in this entry on my Wetware blog.

  17. And your point? by devphil · · Score: 3, Insightful


    While I don't disagree with your observations, I'm confused as to what they have to do with Ladd's project and the results shown.

    Okay, find, I've written my decent quicksort. I know my basic algorithms and data structures. Now I would very much like to squeeze every last drop out of them. Here's a project that will tell me a good combination of options to use as a starting point. Don't tell me that I should just ignore all that and go re-re-re-learn basic algorithms. GCC is used by more than students.

    More than that, it will tell the GCC maintainers which options should be on by default which currently might not be, and vice versa.

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