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China to Promote Own Alternative to DVDs, EVD

supermanksu writes "Seeking to compete on its own terms in the lucrative entertainment industry, China announced a government-funded project Tuesday to promote an alternative to DVDs and 'attack the market share' of the global video format." This has been an ongoing project.

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  1. ugh by fjordboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First we have region encoded dvds so we can't watch dvds from out of our country or "zone" ... and now we won't even be able to fall back on "reverse engineering" our dvd players to play these things! Ugh. Just what we need, more complexity in an already needlessly complex market.

    1. Re:ugh by sillybilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact I welcome such a move - if it's free for everyone to make their own home movies, without having to pay royalties for mpeg2 compression patents, and you can still fit the same amount of movie in a DVD, then why not? I hope the players will have hardware to play EVD movies, and if so, I'm a consumer, whatever is cheaper/better for me I take it, no matter where it comes from. Why is it that we have free bzip2 and ogg vorbis and similar compression methods, but for video we all must pay royalties. The tmpgenc program used to be a complete freeware, used to do mpeg2's for svcd's and dvd's for free, but the mpeg consortium got on the author's case so now he must collect payment for his program, now you only get 30 days evaluation time. Hey if someone wants to give me something equivalent or better for free, I'm not gonna be stupid and say no.

    2. Re:ugh by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
      > First we have region encoded dvds so we can't watch dvds from out of our country or "zone" ... and now we won't even be able to fall back on "reverse engineering" our dvd players to play these things! Ugh. Just what we need, more complexity in an already needlessly complex market.

      This is Tuesday. China's the Good Guy today.

      Seriously - an alternative to DVDs that supports HDTV and has no copy protection, region control, or licensing (CSS) restrictions. How bad is that? If DVD had been invented by geeks, that's what DVD would have been!

      Seems this is just the logical successor to VCD or SVCD. It's also backed up by tens of thousands of tanks whose commanders can tell Jack Valenti precisely where to stick it.

  2. Re:Who is this really going to help ? by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, the domestic Chinese market is only 1/4 the world market, or 4 times larger than the American domestic market.

    How on earth do they expect this to fly with a highly patriotic and semi captive market of only a billion or so people?

    It's madness.

    And certainly no one here on Slashdot would feel inclined to adopt the standard if the Chinese choose to make it competitive by releasing it as an open standard ala the CD.

    We just love attempts to "DVDize" the Compact Disc.

    What would be wrong about taking the format out of the hands of the MPAA and DVD Consortium? Just the fact that it comes from China?

    Like the compass, silk, lacquer, gunpowder and noodles?

    A good idea is a good idea. I think an open video format is a good idea. If that's what the Chinese are up to I'll go at least one round of The East is Red with them.

    KFG

  3. On avoiding paying American royalties fees by Pac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    just to avoid paying American royalty fees

    Let me try to explain it here. Avoiding paying royaties to US and EU is a major component of any sensible comercial or industrial policy in a developing country. in market the size of China's any cent not leaving the country is a cent to be invested in a million of important things to the Chinese population.

    Incidentally that is also one of the major reasons for countries like Brazil, India and China to be seriously looking at Open/Free Software - in the medium and long term, the savings in royalties not send abroad usually justify any short-term problems that may arise.

  4. Re:Not good enough by mclove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Absolutely, in fact this is almost certainly the plan these manufacturers have in mind.

    The pirates are always happy to pursue any moneymaking opportunity they can find; within a few months of their introduction, pirated DVD's were already almost as widely available as VCD's, and no doubt once people start buying EVD players the same thing will happen.

    Then, once people have EVD players and widely available disks, legitimate movie companies will have no choice but to adopt EVD; otherwise, they'll have a base of millions and millions of consumers who have no choice but to buy pirated EVD's. And considering the pragmatic-to-a-fault attitude of the Chinese courts and legislators towards such matters, I suspect that they'll give the studios a hard time about cracking down on pirated EVD's until legitimate alternatives are available. Yes, since they're not well-protected those EVD's can then be easily pirated as well, but since that's already true about DVD's it hardly makes a difference at this point (and will probably translate to further cost savings since there's less sophisticated decoding hardware required, perhaps even allowing them to use older and cheaper processes for chip fabrication etc).

    So this could be a real coup for the Chinese - single-handedly force the studios to adopt a poorly-secured, proprietary video format just to stay in the market.

    Don't look for these to show up in the US, though; DVD players are already way too common, so they'll never show up officially, and considering eBay's sheer and utter spinelessness towards MPAA legal threats it's doubtful we'll see them show up there either.

  5. Re:VCD? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "as the CFO of my company put it, china needs to wake up if they want to play with the big boys in the global economy."

    your CFO is an idioty and doesn't understand China's policy at long term stratagy. pretty scary for a CFO.

    Why should China play with 'the Big boys'?
    'The Big Boys' are pissing off a lot of the people that buy there goods. If china comes up with a format that DVD manufatures can play, and is cheaper to press, and it gives consumers what they want, then they will win.
    Keep in mind, China has longterm goals in mind, while 'The Big Boys' are having a problem seeing past the next quarter.

    'The Big Boys' had better start thinking long term, put money into things that are required for a good foundation for there respective countries, and stop pissing people off. Otherwise they will loose.

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  6. A guess at what China is trying to do... by cabalamat2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China wants to manufacture DVD players, without having to pay $17 for every one it manufactures. So they invent their own system, EVD, which is similar to DVD but uses completely different file formats, video/audio encoding algorithms, etc, so no-one can complain they're infringing patents. Maybe they also have a capability to interface with a computer, for data transfer. They then get loads of films released in EVD format - this'll mostly be Chinese-language films for the China and Taiwan markets. (There might be films for other Asian markets: Japan, Korea, India, etc). Maybe there will be some USA or European films as well.

    The main people buying EVD players will be in Asia, and diaspora Asian communities in Europe and the USA. The DVD manufacturers can't complain, since it isn't infringing their IP. Nor can Holywood. Then, as if from nowhere, REOM images appear on the Internet that when downloaded and put into an EVD player, make it able to play DVDs. Of course, the EVD manufacturers make public noises about how naughty it is to download these ROM images, and illegally play DVDs...

    ...but at the end of the day, they've managed to make DVD players without paying the $17 a go license fee, and not only that they are better than official DVD players: they are all-region, allow you to skip adverts, and play EVDs as well. The MPAA have a fit and issue lawsuits right, left and center, but by the time the suits are all settled, EVD has massive market share (at least in Asia), and even if illegal to sell in Europe and the USA, there are loads of players being smuggled in.

    I've no idea how accurate this scenario is, it's just a guess.