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South Korea Plans National 100 Mbps Network

prostoalex writes "Korean Ministry of Information and Communication is planning to wire the entire country with high-speed 50-100 Mbps network. A total of $80.4 billion will be spent on the project that's expected to be completed in 2010."

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  1. Year 2010? by sydneyfong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean when "high speed" isn't high anymore?

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    1. Re:Year 2010? by tgt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless the nature of the Internet content changes, there is no need in gigabits.

      Even with 10 MBit you can download MP3s faster, than you can listen to them. 100 MBit gives you a few parallel DVD-quality feeds. I mean - end-users may want to d/l all the Internet in a snap, but of what value is it to them ?

      Sure, if means to transfer something bigger, ex. teleporting over Internet (TOI) that need 10G per typical human are discovered, then yes, you'll need a bigger pipe.

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  2. Re:clearly OT by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you think about it, that's about $2000 per Korean, perhaps $6000 per household for high speed internet access, which won't be complete for 7 years. Are they really getting a good deal?

  3. Interesting Infrastructure by randall_burns · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an interesting approach to infrastructure. Now, the next question: how will this approach affect Korea's economic development? What types of businesses will get located in Korea specifically to because of the ubiquitous availability of this type of infrastructure? How will the universal availability of broadband affect Korea's land use of development patterns? Will folks still commute via cars? Will factories start to become remote controlled?

    1. Re:Interesting Infrastructure by ahfoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It sounds like what you really mean is you've bought the US corporate mantra about bandwidth must cost. Actually it doesn't have to cost much at all per/mb in an all IP infrastrucuture. US telecoms have no motivation to go there. They would prefer to buy expensive non IP solutions and come up with the most absurd reasons to justify what is really an attempt to keep competitors out.
      As for redundancy. Why would you suggest that it's difficult or expensive to build a redundant fast ethernet network?
      And I'm really impressed with these sour grapes comments about what would anybody need that much bandwidth for. A lot of creativity going on here to explain why the US is falling behind without touching on the key point that free markets are only good at allocating scarce resources, they choke on abundance and we are entering an age of abundance. So. . .

  4. that's 12%... by ameoba · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you look at the numbers their complete budget for 2000 was only $95.7 billion. Assuming it starts now & ends on time, without any cost overruns, we're looking at something like 12% of the government's spending going towards this project.

    That's some commitment to closing the 'digital divide'. Well, as long as they make reasonably affordable computers available to their citizens when this thing goes live.

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  5. $80.4 Billion ?!?!!! by lnoble · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe they couldn't find a better use for all that money. High speed internet shouldn't be something that is critical in a nation that still needs much development in basic infastructure. For that much money in the US we could do so much it is beyond most people's comprehension.

    The only justification I see this having is the 370,000 new jobs, but how temporary are those jobs. Will most of them disapear after the system is put up and there is nothing left to build let alone money to build it with. To learn more about what we in the US could do with $80 billion(around what is being spent in Iraq go here

    If we need it for such basic things I would think a less developed county would need it even more.

    1. Re:$80.4 Billion ?!?!!! by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For that much money in the US we could do so much it is beyond most people's comprehension

      For instance, we could wage a war of aggression against acountry that poses no threat to us.

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  6. Re:Only capable of 50-100Mbps?? by chill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cost and switch fabric.

    All these posts who talk about 1 Gbps and fiber aren't thinking it through. The difficulties and costs aren't associated with the cabling or end-point connections -- they're at the switch.

    1 Gbps is nice. Now pump an entire apartment unit with GE into the switch. What speed will the internal switch fabric have to support? Assume 200 apartment units, then that is in the neighborhood of 200 Gbps of switch fabric throughput. Consider most of the traffic will be going OUT of the building, the outside pipe will have to be something like an OC-48 ATM or 10-G ethernet connection.

    Now THAT switch, and 1,000 more like it, all feed into different switches and the problem multiplies.

    Think of the RAM buffers, latency and clock frequency that has to be maintained in the switch to handle 200 Gbps of thruput.

    Cisco's top of the line Catalyst 6500 series boasts:

    # 32-Gbps bus--Allowing access to a central shared bus
    # 256-Gbps switch fabric--Located on the switch fabric module (SFM)
    # 720 Gbps switch fabric--Located on Cisco Catalyst 6500 Series Supervisor Engine 720

    So you ARE pushing the edge with mass deployment of fast ethernet.

    Oh, yeah. Fully loaded 6513s run $100,000, easy.

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  7. Re:Spend the money on the network... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a great misconception. Quantity does not always equal quality. They are competitive, but overall, no better than Europeans or gamers from other Asian countries. WCG has them at #3 in the final medal tally.

    As for the topic at hand, good for S.Koreans. It's nice to see a nation thinking forward and wiring it's population with a forward thinking attitude. The government has its finger on technology's pulse. Unlike in US, where we still have anti-competitive carriers/ISPs monopolizing regions and not getting reprimanded for it. We, as Americans, are behind the progress curve, in terms of broadband connectivity. There is a huge chunk of population still using 56k modems. I mean, Christ. Broadband should be a cheap commodity and a requirement in every house.

    While Asia, Europe and other continents are focusing on the future and doing something about it, our politicians are dicking around with special interests and not thinking of the implications 10 years down the line.

    South Korea: Lets build a grid and give every citizen access to broadband.
    United States: Let companies decide instead of the consumers. Profit comes first.
    South Korea: Technology is the future. Internet access is a basic human right.
    United States: Intellectual Property is being violated, lets greenlight tyrants like **AA to set the agenda. MP3 Downloading has to stop.
    South Korea: Open Source in Government? Lets keep our options open.
    United States: Let Microsoft get away with everything, as long as they contribute to political campaigns.

    As you can see, we'll be still arguing about having pioneered the Internet and other technologies in irrelevancy, while other nations surpass ours and make the rules.

  8. Yes, government needs to take the lead on this by nysus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The only way the US got a telephone into everyone's house in the US was to make it a policy. The same goes for electricity.


    As long as we American remain blinded to the possibility that government is good for something, we're going to remain forever a society of technological haves and have nots just like they have in the third world nations.


    Also, this country pays $400,000,000,000 dollars each and every year for the military. That's over 20% of our annual budget. And after the Iraq war this year, it's probably closer to $600,000,000,000. It's quite astonishing to me that there is absolutely zero national debate about the size of our budget. We could have this entire country wired up in no time if are priorities were straight.

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    1. Re:Yes, government needs to take the lead on this by silentbozo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All you would need to have a public debate about the annual budget would be to draft a law making tax withholding illegal. Thus, on April 15th, millions of taxpayers would suddenly realize that the government wants them to fork over tens of thousands of dollars, and that half of the time they spend at work is going to fund whatever pork-barrel special interest is delivering the votes to the politicos.

      At that point, we'd have a very sudden turnover in our elected officials, and some reasonable policies concerning what we spend our money on, and how much we take out of each taxpayer's pocket to do so. Come on, do we really need MORE subsidies to grow corn, just so we can turn it into mash and make ethanol out of it? What about subsides to build a $20 billion dollar giant natural gas pipeline from Alaska... to Illinois? Even MORE money for the already giant auto conglomerates so they can do more "research" on hydrogen fueled cars (just as they did "research" on electric cars in the 80's).

      Make withholding illegal, and that will be the sparking point for the next American revolution. And it's about time - I'm tired of special interests picking my pockets with Uncle Sam's blessings.

  9. Re:But what else will there be? by ahfoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it won't be obsolete quickly by any means. The reason is similar to why Pentium systems above 200Mhz don't go obsolete, they're sufficient for audio and video which makes them entertainment devices rather than strictly computing devices. People often keep televisions and radios for decades.
    100Mbps is fast enough to stream not just full bitrate Mp3s, but decent quality video as well. So, it might not be the fastest forever, but it won't be obsolete for a long time.

  10. 100Mbps was a reasonable choice by onelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not going to get into whether or not the country should spend that much money on the network when it has many other problems, but...

    People saying 100Mbps won't be fast in 7 years? Screw that. If you think we'll have even 1/10th of that in even 1% of the US in 2010 you're out of your mind. Huge areas of the nation don't even have 56k-capable telephone lines, let alone broadband. This won't change until it's profitable for the businesses to do otherwise. Monopolies own all the lines, and there is no government incentive. There won't be, either. (Which is good and bad)

    I've got 1.5Mbps right now, with planned 3Mbps in a year or so. I've only had it for a few months. I don't see it going up much more by then, considering how long it took me to get above dialup...and certainly not to or above 100Mbps. Hell I bet 20Mbps will be a lot in 7 years if you live in the states and we're talking average residential internet speeds. Same goes for globally.