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FSF Wants Your Vouchers

Ridgelift writes "California residents can help support the Free Software Foundation by donating their Microsoft vouchers to the FSF. In turn, the FSF will be able to convert the vouchers into hardware. There's more information here at the FSF website. With 1.1 billion dollars in vouchers Microsoft is forced to pay through the recent anti-trust court case, it's satisfying to see some of those fortunes being spent to help create good software for a change."

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  1. Poetic Justice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Turn justice into poetic justice =)

  2. Not "Good Software" by SpringRevolt · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The FSF primary goal is *not* to create good software. It is to create *moral* software - software for goodneighbourliness and sharing - the fact that it is good (high quality/few bugs) - is a welcome - but secondary effect.

    FSF's beef with Microsoft is not that it produces poor software - but that it produces non-Free software.

    1. Re:Not "Good Software" by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The FSF does have a beef with Sun, IBM and Red Hat. They even have a beef with Debian, a distribution which requires all software in its release to be free, because they maintain non-free software on the same servers as their distribution. So, from the FSF's point of view, it is not any more complicated than that.

      --

      -- Don't Tase me, bro!

  3. How about the EFF? by routerwhore · · Score: 5, Informative
    Somehow in this day and age of big brother paranoia (and RMS lunacy), the EFF seems to be a more appropriate place to donate.

    EFF
    Attn: MS Voucher
    454 Shotwell St.
    San Francisco, CA 94110

  4. I think... by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think that giving these vouchers to schools that don't have computer equipment (or that have older computer equipment) and helping those children learn to use computers is a much better use of the vouchers than donating them to the FSF.

    --
    evil adrian
    1. Re:I think... by Ianoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What, then have them buy Microsoft software to put on those computers? Donating money to a free or open source software organisation (FSF, EFF, etc) means that free software improves. It will receive more widespread adoption. Schools will feel more inclined and more justified using it over Microsoft's products. They can then spend the money they'd otherwise spend on Windows and Office on more PCs.

      Giving the vouchers to the FSF (or EFF) is a long term plan rather than a direct feedback route to Redmond's bank account.

  5. Re:Try begging while i give it to the EFF by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Something tangible like 273 software packages? Little items like Glibc, GCC, Bash, and the GIMP.

    Note that these are GNU packages, meaning that they are provided by the FSF. There are thousands more packages that are merely distributed under the terms of the GPL/LGPL.

    -Peter

  6. Re:or both? (I go with FSF) by arvindn · · Score: 5, Funny
    with Bradley Kuhn as the Executive Director, they've gone from strength to strenght.

    So this Kuhn guy is dyslexic?

  7. Re:hmm by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could you imagine if a certain grade school decided, "Hey. I have a good idea! Let's use Linux on all our computers here.". The children learn and get aquainted with Linux then get into Jr. High - Uh oh, now the students from that grade school are way behind.

    The reason for this is because we really don't teach computing fundamentals. We teach computer technology through rote memory. Go ahead, pick up any Windows application textbook. You will find many enumerated lists on how to accomplish Task A, with lots of pretty graphics with pointing arrows. By the time the student is done with such a book, they know exactly how to perform Tasks A, X, Y, and Z--and nothing more.

    We are building a society of automatons, with little in the way of reasoning ability. A big shame.

  8. FBF Wants your Vouchers by HomerJayS · · Score: 5, Funny

    The FBF (Free Beer Foundation) also wants your vouchers. In turn the FBF will be able to convert your vouchers into beer. The FBF members will then utilize the beer to stimulate debate on many of today's most devisive issues.

  9. As much as I like the FSF... by transiit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm against this, as I'm against the vouchers. I got my claim form in the mail the other day, and the choices it gave were basically "Accept the settlement, write an objection to the court, attend a hearing to state your objection in person, or do nothing (and thus waive all further rights)".

    As these vouchers represent accepting the settlement, donating them to a worthy cause doesn't satisfy my problems with the settlement, namely that they are to be redeemed for hardware (much of which comes bundled with more Microsoft products).

    I can't say I agree with an antitrust remedy that increases the sales of the monopoly that is being punished.

    -transiit

  10. Morals by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Informative
    Well, let's see. During the anti-trust trial in the U.S. one of Microsoft's executives testified under oath that Microsoft's code was so full of holes it would be a threat to national security to open it up. Then the company turns around and offers code to China. So was it treason or perjury? I don't see an in-between there. Neither strikes me as ethical or moral.

    Ok how about just perjury alone. Forged video evidence was also presented in the anti-trust trial in the U.S.

    Ok how about the court's decision, upheld on appeal, that the company used illegal methods to maintain a desktop monopoly?

    There are also the false and misleading advertising, against palm, novell, and regarding MS-Passport. MS-Passport cannot be secure even in theory, so any claims were clearly known to be falsehoods. And since MS-Office 2003 is tied into that, expect more legal action.

    Then there have been a series of fines regarding patent infringements. The most recent being from SPX.

    Where I come from, all that's called lying or stealing.

    --
    Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
  11. Why? FSF is being more petty than usual. by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    RMS 'fires' Lead Hurd Dev over license dispute.

    http://lists.softwarelibero.it/pipermail/discuss io ni/2003-November/008465.html

    Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:33:16 -0800
    From: tb@becket.net (Thomas Bushnell, BSG)
    Subject: What's up with the GFDL?
    To: gnu-prog-discuss@gnu.org
    X-Spam-Level:

    Richard Stallman is pushing an anti-free license for documentation.
    By that, I mean, a license for documentation which, if it were used
    for software, would unquestionably be understood as unfree.

    There are many negative consequences of this action:

    1) The Debian Project, which is committed to free software, cannot
    distribute GFDL'd manuals as part of the Debian system. This is
    ironic in the extreme, because RMS used to complain that Debian was
    too loose about distributing non-free things. Now Debian is too
    tight for him.

    2) It is not possible to borrow text from a GFDL'd manual and
    incorporate it in any free software program whatsoever. This is
    not a mere license incompatibility. It's not just that the GFDL is
    incompatible with this or that free software license: it's that it
    is fundamentally incompatible with *any* free software license
    whatsoever. So if you write a new program, and you have no
    commitments at all about what license you want to use, saving only
    that it be a free license, you cannot include GFDL'd text.

    3) The FSF solicited public comment on the GFDL, but this seems to
    have been a deceptive enterprise. The goal seems to have been to
    garner public support for it, and that simply failed. So the FSF
    does not trumpet that little public comment, and has issued no
    explanation of why such a widely unpopular documentation license
    should be used.

    4) RMS has now "dismissed" me as Hurd maintainer because I have
    publicly spoken against the GFDL, saying that a GNU maintainer must
    support and speak in favor of GNU policies. If this is really
    RMS's reason, then it means that he demands the right to control
    the speech of every GNU volunteer when it comes to GNU project
    policies. He wants not merely to set the direction, but also to
    require that each and every one of us publicly support a GNU policy
    when asked to.

    I do not know what the right response is. I believe perhaps the best
    thing to do is to create structures for GNU project volunteers to
    express their opinions so that we can even find out what the GNU
    project thinks. Heretofore, RMS has been an able spokesman, but when
    he disregards the comments of volunteers (even when explicitly
    solicited), works against free software, and attempts to control the
    speech of GNU volunteers in talking about such issues, something has
    gone very wrong.

    I suspect that nothing will happen, and the sad result will be that
    while free software will continue to thrive, the GNU project will
    die. I do not know what would prevent that.

    Thomas

    Technical Addendum
    - ------------------

    The incompatibilities of the GFDL with free software are not
    controversial. There are two central problems.

    First, GFDL'd manuals can contain "invariant sections" which cannot be
    changed or removed. This is a restriction on modification which isn't
    permitted for free software licenses. Moreover, it is not a trivial
    restriction or one that imposes minimal costs. Invariant sections can
    be very large, and the pieces of a GFDL'd manual that one wants to
    copy might be small. (For example, a description of how to use a
    single function, if copied from the Emacs manual, requires the
    inclusion of many kilobytes of extraneous text from invariant
    sections.) Such restrictions are not allowed in free software
    licenses.

    Second, there are restrictions on what formats a GFDL'd manual can be
    distributed in,

  12. Sigh. Just report the news. by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    satisfying to see some of those fortunes being spent to help create good software for a change

    Classic (unnecessary!) Slashdot editorializing in a news report.

    Hint: News has an impact of its own. Ending every story with an inflammatory spin, one that's often misinformed, is not needed.