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Decoding the Algorithm for Pop Music

fb4f writes "Over at Modplug, they have an article describing a mathematical algorithm to predict if a given song will become a hit or not. Paraphrasing the article, a Spanish company called Polyphonic HMI has made a business out of analyzing song submissions and predicting their "hitability". Here's their description of the algorithm and here's their FAQ. They claim to have predicted the commercial success of Norah Jones through this method. Here's my question (which is not fully answered in their FAQ): if they (music company executives) are currently using the algorithm to screen submissions for their "hitability", can we (people who listen to music) use the same algorithm to reject recycled tunes and encourage originality? I for one, still like the fresh talent and community feel of the tracking scene."

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  1. Karma Hit by Aliencow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone should make an algo to calculate which Slashdot comments will be moderated up to 5. Should be pretty easy...as long as you bash SCO!

    1. Re:Karma Hit by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
      Someone should make an algo to calculate which Slashdot comments will be moderated up to 5. Should be pretty easy...as long as you bash SCO!

      It's tough to come up with an algorythm for slasdot moderations. SCO bashing will not guarrentee anything. In fact, I used some software similar to that mentioned in this article, and determined that this comment will be modded +5.

      SCO RULES!
      Bill Gates is your friend.
      I enjoy RFID!
      I can't get enough of that Jon Katz!
      Linux is for little girls.
      Look at my newest casemod! I put a flashlight in there!
      Hilary Rosen is a super-fox!
      I peed in your coffee.
      The Simpsons/Matrix/Starwars/LordoftheRings totally sucks.
      DRM is the answer to everything!
      I just patented food!

      These comments alone would not gain a +5, however, the self-referencial nature of this comment will.

      Granted, this software is still in beta.

  2. My Pop Music Algorithm by anaphora · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Singer.Belly.isShown() then mod.singer.+1sexy
    If Singer.Voice.isScreaming() then mod.singer.+1punkfav
    If Singer.Gender.isMale() then mod.singer.+1prepubescentgirls
    If Singer.Label.isRIAA() then mod.singer.+1popular
    If Singer.Style.isOriginal() then mod.singer.-1original

  3. Dupe. by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, I don't know how to tell what songs will be popular. But, obviously, this topic is popular.

  4. Sounds like the formula for movie success by Lupulack · · Score: 5, Funny

    40% Action
    30% Comedy
    30% Romance
    0% Madonna

    ( with credit to Jay Leno )

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    The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.
  5. Recipe music by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Early on in their FAQ they claim:

    Historically, what is pleasing to the human ear has not changed since man began writing music. What has changed are styles, performances, the instruments used and the way music is produced and recorded, but a compelling melody is still compelling ...

    Okay, so far, so good; it sounds like they're saying "good music is good music, and here's a tool for telling whether something is good or not." I'm still skeptical at this point, but it's certainly an interesting idea, and one worthy of study.

    But then they completely lose me with this one:

    A high score means that a song is mathematically similar to recent hit songs and a low score means it is dissimilar. These scores have meaning when it comes to success potential in today's market but is not meant to mean a song is good or bad. For example, when tested for today's market some really great classic hits from the 60's 70's and 80's score very low and would most likely not become hits today with their original production or chord progression. That does not mean that they are not good songs and it is quite possible that if produced more in line with today's sounds they could score much higher.
    IOW, our algorithm says music is good if it sounds like everything else people think is good right now, and if it's different from current Top 40, it's crap.

    They make a high-flown reference to the 36 Plots and other serious attempts at artistic analysis, but that's not what they're actually doing. I do believe that good music is good music, good stories are good stories, etc. I can at least consider seriously the hypothesis that all good art has certain qualities in common, and that by analyzing those qualities we can evaluate a new work's chance of lasting success. But the idea that musicians (or writers, or whatever) can keep pumping out stuff exactly like What's Hot Now and be guaranteed a blockbuster is just stupid.
    --
    The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
  6. Re:Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    one person's "real" band is another person's manufactured corporate rock. Excess ain't rebellion, you're drinking what they're sellin.

  7. Snake oil? by Xzzy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article states:

    "This software will compare the song to a database that contains the "top-30" hit songs of the past five years in order to search for mathematical similarities. The algorithm then assigns each song a score between one and 10. Any song rated more than seven is likely to become a hit."

    Now think about this.. use musical eras like the 80's and early 90's as an example because it's reasonably safe to assume this technology didn't exist at that point.

    Look at the charts in 5 year chunks, it all sounds the same. In the 80's, everyone either used a synthesizer or had a raging, face-melting solo at some point in the song. Or the early 90's, "grunge" was being pounded into our head incessantly.

    It was like that because it was popular. Band X makes it big, and suddenly Bands X1 through X255 appear on the charts mimicing this sound. This seems to happen in, amazingly enough, cycles of 5 years.

    Seems to me this software does nothing to show the "hitability" of a song, but rather telling you whether or not it sounds just like what's currently popular, and has been for the past couple years.

    Seems about as magical to me as as an algrorythm claiming it can detect boys that like looking at porn.

  8. DaVinci's Notebook - Title of the Song by Threed · · Score: 5, Funny

    TITLE OF THE SONG - DaVinci's Notebook

    Declaration of my feelings for you
    Elaboration on those feelings
    Description of how long these feelings have existed
    Belief that no one else could feel the same as I

    Reminiscence of the pleasant times we've shared
    And our relationship's perfection
    Recounting of the steps that lead to our love's dissillusion
    Mostly involving my unfaithfulness and lies

    Penitent admission of wrongdoing
    Discovery of the depth of my affection
    Regret over the lateness of my epiphany

    CHORUS:
    Title of the song
    Naive expression of love
    Reluctance to accept that you are gone
    Request to turn back time
    And rectify my wrongs
    Repetition of the title of the song

    Enumeration of my various transgressive actions
    Of insufficient motivation
    Realization that these actions led to your departure
    And my resultant lack of sleep and appetite

    Renunciation of my past insensitive behavior
    Promise of my reformation
    Reassurance that you still are foremeost in my thoughts, now,
    Need for instructions how to gain your trust again

    Request for reconciliation
    Listing of the numerouss tasks that I'd perform
    Of physical and emotional compensation

    CHORUS

    Acknowledgement that I acted foolishly
    Increasingly desparate pleas for your return
    Sorrow for my infidelity
    Vain hope that my sins are forgivable
    Appeal for one more opportunity
    Drop to my knees to elecit crowd response
    Prayers to my chosen deity
    Modulation and I hold a high note...

    CHORUS