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Caffeine Level In Sea Causes Concern
DarkHand writes "Researchers at the Norwegian Institute for Air Research (NILU) have spent three years looking for trace remains of pharmaceuticals in drainage water and the sea near Tromsoe in northern Norway. The project has focused on 16 substances and a high concentration of caffeine was one of the surprising finds. Need a lift in the morning? Have a refreshing glass of seawater!"
But wait a week or to until it's good for you again.
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Would a desalination plant remove the caffine? If the 'filtering' of the water being dumped into bodies of water doesnt do it, when it comes back into our pipes will it be caffinated also?
Seems to me we will all be a bunch of caffine addicts in the future.
Let's baptise this day the Norwegian Discovery Day (cf Hot Norwegian Chick can do math too!)
Thousands of college students across the country die from drinking too much seawater.
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Water Joe files suit aginst Norway for infringement.
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Contrary to popular myth, most sharks one comes across in the ocean are docile creatures who just want to be left alone and will occasionally stop resting in order to find something to eat - fish, generally, or surfers if they decide the surfers look a little too much like seals. (No, I'm not making this up.) I "swim with" sharks all the time (I put that in quotes, it's not exactly the same as, say, swimming with dolphins, but the point is man and shark can inhabit the same parts of the ocean without one trying to devour the other, or the need for shark cages, etc. Now, Great Whites are another matter, but I don't like off the coast of Australia.)
Now, if caffiene levels in the ocean rise, what's going to happen to the sharks? Are they going to ever be able to get any sleep? Is their judgement going to be further impaired - I mean, they already confuse surfers with seals, are they likely to confuse divers with some sort of fish? Are they going to be constantly tired, irritable, yet alert?
Or will the effects be even more dramatic: will I go diving only to see sharks outputing hundreds of lines of poorly written but amazingly creative C code, at two in the morning?
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Researchers at the Norwegian Institute for Air Research have spent three years looking for trace remains of pharmaceuticals in drainage water and the sea...
And now where the hell did the taxpayer kronas that I spent on air research go?
Need a lift in the morning? Have a refreshing glass of seawater!
Despite what DarkHand says, THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. Please DO NOT try this. The high concentrations of sea salt and other dissolved minerals destroy the benefits found in drinking ordinary water, making the drinker at risk of salt poisoning and even dehydration!
I can't believe the editors are allowing such dangerous advice to be posted on Slashdot, of all placed!
Don't drink seawater! It's bad for you. I'm surprised Slashdot has stooped to such irresponsible journalism.
Those damn Scandinavians have everything. I mean I have just finished reading the story about the Swedish chick who managed to solve (part of) Hilbert's 16th problem. And amazingly for a female math geek she is actually not bad looking. If she was from any other part of the world she would have looked like my grandfather, only uglier.
And now the Norwegians get CAFFEINATED SEAWATER! Is is just me or is there something wrong with this picture?
OK, so at least they are sharing Linus with the rest of us, but still...
People couldn't type. We realized: Death would eventually take care of this.
I wonder if this has anything to do with this, Pilot Whales Beached in Tasmania.
Too much caffine explains why they get so disoriented.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Perhaps some home experiments involving a goldfish and a pack of proplus are in order? Anyone with a goldfish who tries this out please post your results.
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While the amounts reported are below the current safety thresholds -
caffeine easily passes from mother to unborn child -
there is also increasing concern about environmental estrogens or chemicals that may react with them.
Subduction leads to orogeny
The sad fact is that the vast majority of the remaining dangerous pollutants are attributable to either coal-fired power generation or automobile use, which are both sacred cows the world over.
How often can you say that about a Slashdot article?
Get off my launchpad!
Now we just have to find a way of extracting it, and Europe will no longer be at the mercy of the coffee growing countries
If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets
Would a desalination plant remove the caffine?
Yes and no. Desalination by reverse osmosis or distillation would remove the caffeine (and many other pharmaceutical byproducts) from sea water when making drinking water. But the concentrated salt water dumped out of the desalination plant would still contain these pollutants.
Standard treatment plants used for making drinking water from freshwater would probably NOT remove caffeine or other pharmaceuticals. At best, the chlorination/oxygenation/UV purification process might degrade the pharma chemicals. At worst, these purification processes might convert the pharma chemicals into even more toxic analogs of the chemicals.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Reverse osmosis doesn't necessarily remove everything; the city of Santa Barbara, CA built a RO-based desalination plant in the early 90s, at a cost of roughly $40 million. When they fired up the plant (spring of 92, IIRC), the water it put out still tasted a bit of the sea, according to most observers.
However, during the plant's construction, the drought that had motivated the project had subsided. So after a few weeks of operational testing (i.e. none of its output went into the distribution system), the plant was mothballed. AFAIK, it's never been started up since.
Is that a Swedish mathematician is a device for turning sea water into theorems?
<thinks-bubble>Doesn't caffeine get broken down before it's excreted?</thinks-bubble>
One researcher in the article is quoted as saying, We have almost no information about what kind of problems caffeine can cause in nature. It is a poison and at very high concentrations it can affect the nervous system. We don't know the kind of environmental effect caffeine can have on the ecosystem and this is something that should be thoroughly investigated .
Based on what I know about biochemistry, this isn't necessarily going to be a big problem for humans. Assuming that the concentration of seawater is 100 micrograms (.0001 g) per liter and the lethal dose (LD) of caffeine is 4 grams in humans, one human would have to drink 40,000 litres of seawater to reach the lethal dose. That excludes the decomposition of caffeine in the body that would occur while drinking that much seawater.
Of course, there could be problems with biomagnification. If fish or other sea animals can't break down the caffeine, it may stay absorbed in their fat. Then, people who eat those sea creatures will have much larger of doses of caffeine at one time.
Personally, I wouldn't be concerned until they take into consideration all of the other factors that are involved. There are high concentrations of many molecules in seawater, but that isn't necessarily a problem.
Being equipped with gills...which require constant water flow...sharks can't sleep, at least not except for in very specific locations. Researchers have found they will seek out a spot in the ocean where the tide or currents create a constant water flow in a protected area(ie, under a reef, cave, etc) and they'll then enter what appears to be a sleeping state...usually with several other shark doing the same.
Please help metamoderate.
First Exxon Valdez, now Juan Valdez. I'm starting to see a pattern. The corporate world couldn't make em dependent on oil, so lets make em addicts. Bilking our sealife of their very last sand dollar. Where will the greed end. We need to tax Startbucks to fund detox centers for our aquatic friends. I just ask that they ween them off gradually, lest and octopi snarfs my Bunn-O-Matic while I am off snorkling.
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And just in case anyone is wondering whether any marine organisms are actually sensitive to caffeine...
"Responses of regular urchins to mechanical and chemical stimulation have been described by... von Uexkull (1896a, 1896b, 1900a). According to von Uexkull, caffein is a particularly effective chemical agent and evokes pointing away of the spines in all concentrations." (L. H. Hyman, The Invertebrates: Echinodermata, 1955, pp. 552-3).
Just a data point, but I think it's particularly interesting that even these invertebrates, whose physiology is very different from humans, are sensitive to caffeine.
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A single glass of seawater isn't dangerous. (Usual disclaimer: assuming you're an adult, in reasonable good health, the seawater is unpolluted, etc.)
It may not be a great idea because it tastes lousy, it will indeed dehydrate you and make you thirsty, and the magnesium ions in it, in addition to giving it that bitter taste, have the same effect as milk of magnesia.
Certain kinds of health faddists have been drinking seawater for years.
Obviously, dirty seawater from a harbor or near a sewage outflow will put you at bacteriological risk.
If you're lost at sea in a liferaft with no fresh water and dying of thirst, drinking seawater will eventually kill you. But one glass as a (disgusting) morning libation won't do you any harm.
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Do you have a link on this? Or perhaps some more info onto what poisonous substance is found in standard macadamia nuts?
Is that the web on the "marijuana" spider is probably closest to the original "untained" form, yet caffeine is the worst.
Wonder what it says for the war on drugs when caffeine is legal.
What I don't understand is, why does seawater lead to dehydration (due to salt content) when you often have to ingest salt in certain desert areas to prevent it?
Anyone got input on this?
Oh, and if anything speeds dehydration it's caffeine, a cup of coffee will leave you more dry than refreshed in the long run.
The number of drugs that were coming from the local mental hospital. Either people are flushing there meds a lot or well I don't know.
They also have Opeth, Dimmu Borgir and Emperor. What more could you want?
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come as a suppository?
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Good, more for me... Mwahahaha
I used to have a girlfriend who really liked caffeine.
She bought some Water Joe... and made coffee with it!