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A Day in the Life of a Patent Examiner

ahdkd writes "Forbes has an older article which describes the world of patent examining: Search 500,000 Documents, Review 160,000 Pages In 20 Hours, And Then Do It All Over Again. Might help people understand the USPTO and patents in general a little better."

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  1. yeah right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know whats a lot easier than reading all that stuff? Simply approving the application.. then a nice nap.

  2. Evidence that the system is a failure by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe this article is yet another nail in the coffin of the patent system. It is time to rethink the patent system. Economist Fritz Machlup has proven that patents do not entice corporations to develop new products; in fact, the "short-term advantage a company derives from developing a new product and being the first to put it on the market may be incentive enough."

    Patents offer a authoritarian power to destroy competition, increase prices, and skew the relationship between research and creation by scaring off new ideas developed on old ones.

    1. Re:Evidence that the system is a failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      3300 patent examininers to deal with 2M incoming requests a year? I'd wager the IRS has a higher investigation to filer ratio and the IRS less than 100 years old.

      I guess we know where our priorities are.

    2. Re:Evidence that the system is a failure by Doctor7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The pharmaceutical industry possibly deserves special treatment (patents or the equivalent) simply because safety regulations require them to divulge the contents of their products, and therefore they can't benefit from trade secrets. In industries where this is not the case, it's not so obvious that patents are necessary or desirable.

    3. Re:Evidence that the system is a failure by Joe+Decker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trade secrets wouldn't work well for drugs even if there weren't disclosure requirements--even if they weren't required to disclose the ingredient list, the actual drugs themselves would provide a pretty strong clue. This problem is common to many forms of technology, reverse engineering isn't necessarily difficult.

    4. Re:Evidence that the system is a failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why do people always seem to think that scrapping the patent system means that inventors can't get a reward?

      There are *plenty* of alternative ideas for compensatiting inventors that don't rely on artificially restricting competition.

      Examples include compulsory licensing schemes, innovation awards, inventor sponsorships, tax incentives etc.

      Many of these systems can reward inventors sufficiently to encourage innovation without needing to create damaging monopolies. In consequence, I remain convinced that the entire patent system is fundamentally broken and the sooner it is replaced the better.

  3. Do It Right by SpamJunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My feelings on this are simple: do it right or don't do it at all.

    If the government can't create a system that approves patents corrently then there should be no approval process at all, and thus, no patents at all. It would be better to let the market protect innovators, however weak the protection, than to let a flawed patent office allow innovators to be harmed by those that would exploit the flaws.

    1. Re:Do It Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Uh. why? If the internet can kill the RIAA, it can kill such a monopoly before it even gets started. If patent's weren't enforceable I'd ALREADY be selling a 3D printer (plastics only, at the moment ) online, and other people could ALREADY be producing open source widget designs for it. But I can't. Because some MBA jackass who can barely screw a screw into a hole can arbitrarily decide to kill anything I do based on patent law, which means said MBA jackass (or his company) "owns" the idea (and patents as they are currently implemented DO essentially cover ideas, whatever the mealy-mouthed lawyers say). Perhaps if only individual natural persons could hold patents...

  4. If they are overworked by SirGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful
    They should ban together and refuse. That is what they need to do to protect the system. Yes, I understand that it is difficult but if they don't bitch all the way up the line, then who will ?

    I mean, Ok. They get fired for saying that they can't do their jobs. They would be able to go to almost ANY news outlet and get their story printed . Patent Office fires worker for complaining about unfair practices . That would not look good for the USPTO.

    I also find the article "lacking" in explaining HOW they search let alone WHERE they search.

    If the internet isn't used , Why don't they mention it - We don't bother to check google if the idea exists already. We only look if it is already patented, not if it already exists in the public domain.

    1. Re:If they are overworked by Xzzy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > They should ban together and refuse. That is what they need to do to protect the system. Yes, I
      > understand that it is difficult but if they don't bitch all the way up the line, then who will ?

      You have no idea how government entities function, do you? :)

      10% of the people (maybe even less) working at a site will actually be good workers who give a fig about their job and how well things are run. The issue is that this segment is never in a position to institute change. These people don't stick around long, they become cynical quite fast and generally quit and return to jobs in the private sector (which often have just as fucked up management systems, but in completely different ways).

      Another 10% of the people are the ones who can make decisions, but have absolutely no background to make effective decisions (they got where they are mostly via seniority). They instead opt to spend their days in endless meetings hoping someone else makes a decision so they can go back to "fine tuning" the organization chart.

      The remaining 80% is dead wood. Completely lazy, useless fatasses who know it's damn near impossible to fire a government employee and only show up to ensure they keep getting a paycheck. Their sole desire is to avoid rocking the boat, in effort to avoid losing their gravy train. Most of them have held government jobs for so long no one even notices how bloody useless they are, except for the original 10% who are powerless to do anything about it.

      Point being, a majority of the people working for the USPTO plain out doesn't give a shit. They will NEVER "strike" or "take it to the press", soley because it means they would actually have to scrape their butts out of their chair and rub some of their brain cells together.

  5. Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You could solve most of the problem if you required the item to be physically created, or at least fully designed, before granting a patent. It's ridiculous to grant patents to mere ideas -- the flood of patent lawsuits over web techology claimed in patents before the web existed is a clear example.

  6. Shades of 'Yes Minister' by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There was a British TV comedy about the manipulation of government by the civil service (and vice versa, sometimes :-) called 'Yes Minister', and 'Yes Prime Minister'. One of the favourite tactics of "Sir Humphrey" (civil service mandarin) is to deluge the minister with reams of information, to make it completely impossible to make a decision by a given deadline.

    It strikes me that when a patent is 160,000 pages long, someone is trying the same tactic. Perhaps there ought to be a limit on the size of patent applications. After all, if it is sufficiently revolutionary to be awarded protection from its possible competition, it ought to be easily stated and understood. Let anything else just compete.

    I suspect some would lose out, but I also think the patent system overall would win. The original patent applications were on a single sheet of paper....

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  7. The essence of how patents are used by ZorroXXX · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From the article: ... says Nolan. "They want to see how far they can go, and almost anything I give them is going to limit what somebody else can do."

    This is exactly what is wrong with the (current) patent system. It is supposed to promote innovation but instead it is used as a tool to put sticks in the wheels of the competitors.

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  8. But patents aren't only for corporations... by fullmetal55 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    also for individuals who don't have the resources to produce the products but have the ingenuity and drive to create the new products. and as such the patent system allows them to still reap the rewards of their hard work. I don't think corporations need patents either, but the patent system or something like it still needs to protect the little guy. disbanding the patent system punishes the little guy while rewarding the big corporations.

    1. Re:But patents aren't only for corporations... by dada21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish I could agree with you in accepting that patents help the individual, but in my experience, the process of getting a patent does not seem to make the benefit worth it.

      An individual with an idea can't go very far unless they have entrepreneurship as well. If they don't have the drive to promote an idea, what good is the idea? A patent may offer them something to sell to a bigger corporation, much more can be done just by getting together with people who want to promote the idea for their own mutual gain.

      If I invented a new idea, and I couldn't distribute it, I would still have the ability to find someone else who can. Entering into a binding contract, we could create a partnership (or corporation). Until that contract is issued, I wouldn't have to explain the idea or the secrets of the idea. A non-disclosure agreement and a binding contract are really all you need to protect the idea (as is obvious from one of the links I posted in my original message).

    2. Re:But patents aren't only for corporations... by fullmetal55 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but without the patent system, whats to prevent one of your "friends" from saying, ahh screw you, I'm gonna go make my own, and leave you and your hard work in the cold. with no legal recourse to get rewarded for your work. corporations are especially greedy, I think we can both agree on that, and as someone else said here, whats to stop them from saying "bugger off kid, we don't want your gadget" and then go and manufacture a million of them before you have a chance to find a corporation who will produce it and pay you. so this theoretical person had the drive to pitch his idea to corporations and get some way to produce it, yet they were shoved aside and their invention is now helping the world do whatever it was intended to do yet he doesn't see a dime from his work, whats his incentive to produce another innovation? nothing. he won't invent anymore. people just steal his inventions. do that a few times, and individuals won't innovate anymore. when they have no chance to make money, money is the number one driving force for innovation. you remove that incentive and innovation is going to stall. only corporations could innovate, and its really not in their interests to innovate. it is essentially better not to innovate for corporations as they can continue to milk existing products from now til eternity. Its naive to believe that a corporation will look after the consumer's best interest. and whos to say that a corporation would even agree to an NDA from some shmoe off of the street. it again comes down to the fact that innovation isn't in the corporations interests, and essentially an NDA is similar to patent law in that respects anyway.

      But they should limit the patents corporations are allowed to create and own. maybe have a seperate clause in it for corporation owned patents having a life-span of say 5 years. add another 5 years on top of that for individual persons. after that patent protection is no longer an issue, it ends.

    3. Re:But patents aren't only for corporations... by HeghmoH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until that contract is issued, I wouldn't have to explain the idea or the secrets of the idea. A non-disclosure agreement and a binding contract are really all you need to protect the idea (as is obvious from one of the links I posted in my original message).

      This is precisely what happened before patents, and exactly why the entire patent system was invented in the first place. People would get good ideas, and try to sell them. But they can't disclose the idea, because then they don't get rewarded. They also can't find a buyer, because they can't explain the idea well enough to prospective buyers without giving the idea away. Thus, the good idea dies with the person who came up with it.

      Lots and lots of inventions were lost in exactly this way. Many people would rather die with their invention a secret than have somebody else make a fortune out of it. The key component to a patent is that it is required to publish a full specification of the invention, enough so that a knowledgeable person could build it, in return for the patent. This way, even if the inventor has a heart attack or is hit by a bus or every city where his multinational conglomerate has offices is hit by gigantic rocks from outer space, the invention is not lost.

      The simple fact of the matter is that, like copyrights, patents are fundamentally good ideas; it's the implementations that are broken. Both were originally conceived not as a way to let people make money, but as an aid to society, to promote invention and creativity. The problem now is that it's gone too far towards giving people money. Scale back the terms of copyrights and patents, examine them more thoroughly, make people pay (more) for them, etc., and you can fix the system. It's not necessary to destroy it.

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  9. They don't like it? by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then they can resign. $45K starting salary rising to $90K for a 4 day week? Fuck them. Let's subcontract the whole lot to India.

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  10. If doing a good job's impossible, why bother? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, if you know you can't possibly do a good job in evaluating that volume of patents, why not slow things down to a crawl, and do stuff the right way? Sure, we'd still be looking at the merits of the application for the patent for the transistor, but isn't that better than no-look rubber stamping of bullshit like one-click shopping?

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  11. Hype job? by Quixote · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I smell a hype-job.

    Here's a quote:
    When a patent is first filed, the key hurdles are novelty and obviousness; i.e., does this idea really represent something new, and is it informed by a particular creativity? Eighty percent of patent applications are rejected for failing to meet those first hurdles.

    Someone please tell the writer about some of the "novel" patents issued by the USPTO.

  12. Maybe we should make challenges cheaper by MythoBeast · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It does seem that the process for creating patents is largely incapable of determining the validity of patents. It works more like a sanity check, and barely that.

    Considering this, it would make more sense if it were cheaper for external entities to challenge patents after they were created. As things stand, it takes thousands, or sometimes tens of thousands of dollars to challenge even the most obviously flawed patent.

    We could, for instance, create a standard reveiw process where an individual presents evidence of patent conflict or prior art. Since the claimant is doing much of the research in advance, the cost should be considerably less.

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  13. That old chestnut again by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    the pharmaceutical industry, because of its huge upfront costs, often will not develop a perfectly useful drug unless it can patent it

    I might have more sympathy for this view were it not for the fact that pharmcos spend twice as much on advertising as they do on R&D

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  14. Re:Well, it can't work this way. by SquarePants · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The USPTO IS in the black. Has been for years. It is one of the few agencies that makes money for the gov't. The problem is that the funds incoming to the USPTO from the public go into the general government fund, not in the USPTO's fund. Then, every year, the USPTO has to grovel to congress for money. It usually gets less than it asks for and ALWAYS gets less than it generates (its called diversion and many think it amounts to an unconbstitutional tax on inventors).

    Also, the USPTO actually looses money on the examination fees it charges. Although it can cost upwards of $20K in attorneys' fees to prepare and file an application, the governement filing fees are usually less than $1,000. The USPTO makes about 2/3 of its monry from the maintenance fees that existing patent holders have to pay to maintain their patents in force.

  15. It's almost too simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My favourite quote, in light of the Microsoft Anti-Trust settlement, has to be the following:

    "Esther Kepplinger, deputy commissioner for patent operations and self-described "supervisor of supervisors of supervisors," was one of fewer than ten examiners doing biotech patents 30 years ago; she has overseen a fifty-fold increase in demand and specialization. Still, she says "when you're experienced at this, you can make decisions whether you know the art or not," a process she compares with a court's ruling on antitrust in high technology."

    and this is a good thing?!

  16. 190,000 patents granted a year? by rollingcalf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is a major symptom of the problem. Obtaining a patent should be just a notch below the level of rare and high achievement required to be an Olympic medalist, discover a new galaxy, or win a Nobel Prize. For crying out loud, you are saying that none of the other six billion people on earth did what you claim to do, and that no one else will naturally create that when faced with a similar problem in the course of their work. That is an extremely strong statement against the rest of the human race, and IMHO there aren't enough inventions that rise to the standard of novelty to truly deserve 190,000 patents in a decade.

    If the USPTO were more strict with upholding a high standards for patents, the vast majority of applications that are submitted today would get thrown out even before commencing a prior art search. Eventually, the flood of applications would be reduced to a small number of worthy contenders, which would be a much more manageable load.

    Unfortunately, the policies of the USPTO put the burden of proof on the patent examiner. They have to grant the patent unless they can find prior art or make a strong case why the creation is obvious. But the burden should be on the applicant to impress the examiners with the device's originality and utility, because a patent granted in error places a very high burden on the rest of society. The benefit of the doubt should be given to the public at large, not the patent applicant. Until that policy is changed they will be flooded with frivolous applications, and be pressured to grant patents for most of them, because it is so much more difficult to deny them.

    "It was never the object of those laws to grant a monopoly for every trifling device, every shadow of a shade of an idea, which would naturally and spontaneously occur to any skilled mechanic or operator in the ordinary progress of manufactures. Such an indiscriminate creation of exclusive privileges tends rater to obstruct than to stimulate invention. It creates a class of speculative schemers who make it their business to watch the advancing wave of improvement, and gather its foam in the form of patented monopolies, which enable them to lay a heavy tax upon the industry of the country, without contributing anything to the real advancement of the arts. It embarrasses the honest pursuit of business with fears and apprehensions of concealed liens and unknown liabilities lawsuits and vexatious accountings for profits made in good faith."
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