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Blowfish Poison Derivative Could Be A Painkiller

Makarand writes "According to this Reuters article, a Vancouver (Canada) based company is testing a painkiller derived from blowfish poison. The drug has passed two phases of clinical tests and during testing it could ease pain in terminally ill cancer patients with a dosage of few micrograms. The drug is a sodium channel blocker and works by stopping nerves from sending pain signals to the brain. The company says that the drug does not have the side effects of morphine and is non-addictive. A single blowfish can provide about 600 doses of this drug."

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  1. Nature by $exyNerdie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We have so much to learn from nature !!

    For example, the use of leeches in in surgeries where increasing circulation and inhibiting clotting are critical, such as reconstructive surgery after breast cancer.
    Leeches have a natural anticoagulant in their saliva which increases blood flow through traumatized tissue, helping to keep it alive during lengthy surgeries. Leeches even come with a natural anesthetic and antibiotic to help break down clots and keep the blood flowing.

    1. Re:Nature by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny how the medical field is quick to adopt things like leeches, but when it comes to medical marijuana, they don't want to legalize it because "it's not an isolated and purified medication".

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    2. Re:Nature by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 0

      funny how the layman has an opinion but doesn't respect the experts in the respective field because he has been drip-fed 'revolutionary' ideas by CNN, hippies, etc who want to get the glory but do not put in the effort to see if it works.

      I can publish a book "hackers guide to the medical community... how physicians fail to pescribe the correct drugs" and if it makes a nice pretty logical explanation of the subject you will beleive me and not spend 9 years in college getting a pharma PhD and some research experience which would allow you a position to talk with some degree of knowledge.

      Like how sys admins are always cr4p because the computers don't run 100% of the time or programmers allow bugs in their code - clearly incompetant. These things are just machines and instructions afterall, you must be incompetant not to prove your software/hardware through logic... so what's the point of testing it?

      STFU.

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    3. Re:Nature by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      funny how the layman has an opinion but doesn't respect the experts in the respective field because he has been drip-fed 'revolutionary' ideas by CNN, hippies, etc who want to get the glory but do not put in the effort to see if it works.

      Funny how the layman makes bold assumptions that make way for long diatribes.

      The grandparent's post was completely valid, insofar as there at least exists a double standard for "nature's" cures. Research on the medicinal effects (primary and "side") of marijuana is virtually absent because researchers are afraid of federal agents in ski masks kicking down their doors.

      And yet you still suggest we should trust the experts, even though they admit to having virtually no studies to base any conclusions on.

      STFU.

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    4. Re:Nature by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here is a very simple trawl of BBC news over the past couple of months:

      A link here (about MS), another here (about Alzheimer), another here about epileptics, some say it kills pain, oh, and here is something saying it may be available with a year. And this is a very simple search of the BBc website. How about searching the medical research council or even the medicine department of your local college.

      This amount of material in (a tiny section of) the public domain being "virtually no studies to base any conclusions on" is just false. Medical studies take time but there are plenty being done.

      Don't take the cr4p commercial providers throw at you, they want you to think they and you are right and everything else is wrong, so you trust and follow them more. Don't be a fool.

      STFU etc etc, nice to copy another's sign-ogg, isn't it? And here I could be talking about important things like Gentoo.

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    5. Re:Nature by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1
      I was under the impression that the scope of the discussion was limited to the US.

      Not because I'm an ignorant 'Merkin, but because other countries (such as the UK) have sane policies with respect to marijuana.

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    6. Re:Nature by NanoGator · · Score: 0

      "STFU."

      Dude, grow up.

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    7. Re:Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, if doctors used a distribution that allowed them to recompile their entire inventory with the -funroll-rollups and -mfridge flags set, they'd be able to kill 5-10% more pain.

    8. Re:Nature by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I was under the impression it was many in the medical field pressing for legalising marijuana for exactly that reason, and it was politicians who were generally opposed.

      Also in my experience doctors tend to be more wary of anything that remotely resembles "alternative" medicines, for usually unsurprising reasons - leeches? I suspect anyone making a drug based on leeches is going to go to great pains to disguise that fact...

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    9. Re:Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm...are you telling me there's a distribution out there that will do that? Wow...I'm aboard. Tell me, what distribution would you be speaking of?

    10. Re:Nature by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      What gave you that idea?"?

      Oh well, medical research takes place on the global field.

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    11. Re:Nature by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are some government shills in the medical field that go on political shows and present such arguments.

      Interestingly, it's by no means every government employed MD, there are many within the NIH and other government organizations who have rational ideas about illegal drugs, they are just regularly ignored if they speak out.

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    12. Re:Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, isn't it obvious? It's built in to the functionality of the FreeLSD Pots system of course!

    13. Re:Nature by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1
      My statement about the federal agents should have given you the idea that I had the US in mind.

      Yes, medical research takes place on the global field, but major drug companies in the US (like them or not; I hate them) usually prefer in-house research and testing.

      Now there's a reason to put on a tinfoil hat.

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    14. Re:Nature by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      Please search your previous diatribes for the words "federal agents". If the research is successful it is successful... the drug company will licence the patent and release their own variant... and 1 of the 2 global pharma companies is British... though pharma is such a wildfire industry, any biomed venture capital off shoot could come up with a global company.

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    15. Re:Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *ponders*

      How good of a blow job does a blowafish give? Would it feel good? Or would I feel nothing at all?

      hummm.

    16. Re:Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Dude, you need to get yourself a prescription:
      Please search your previous diatribes for the words "federal agents"
      Well, he wrote:
      Research on the medicinal effects (primary and "side") of marijuana is virtually absent because researchers are afraid of federal agents in ski masks kicking down their doors.
      And, you know, he's right.
    17. Re:Nature by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      From my original post: The grandparent's post was completely valid, insofar as there at least exists a double standard for "nature's" cures. Research on the medicinal effects (primary and "side") of marijuana is virtually absent because researchers are afraid of federal agents in ski masks kicking down their doors.

      If the research is successful it is successful...

      The research itself isn't patented. Patents don't seem to apply here, since the medical uses of marijuana are already laid out. If there were some new way to refine it or something, patents could come into play, but it seems like we're talking about research that studies the direct effects of marijuana as it pertains to pain relief and other ailments such as glaucoma. Basically, is marijuana a safe drug to admnister to patients? The resulting research isn't something that a company would patent, and I still maintain that drug companies here in the US at least have been reluctant to engage in such studies.

      Furthermore, international corporations would be reluctant to release such products in the US.

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    18. Re:Nature by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's interesting. This problem also bleeds into nutrition. The USDA-approved American diet is widely criticized by most doctors and nutritionists that study diet and health extensively. IANAV (I am not a vegan, or even a vegetarian), but studies indicate that virtually every patient with adult onset diabetes who has adopted an all-natural vegan diet has been cured of diabetes.

      I hate to automatically assume the worst, but it would seem that from a health care standpoint, healthy individuals make much worse customers. There could be more than just arrogance involved when doctors refuse to consider alternative treatment, whether it's illegal drugs or diets that don't follow the USDA norm.

      In the case of illegal drugs, perhaps doctors are reluctant to push treatments that the federal government would never legalize. Every politician knows that the infamous "drug war" is a complete failure, but to merely suggest legalization is political suicide.

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    19. Re:Nature by Ieshan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nobody's doing leeches as a recreational drug. Putting marijuana into pharmacies has a huge social implication far beyond it's medical effectiveness.

    20. Re:Nature by Stubtify · · Score: 1

      Sure, nobody's doing leeches as a recreational drug......yet.

    21. Re:Nature by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      People are doing many other (prescription) drugs recreationally. Many of which are much more addictive and dangerous than pot, and yet they are schedule II or III, and pot remains schedule I, even though there is obviously potential medical benefit.

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    22. Re:Nature by RealErmine · · Score: 1

      Nobody's doing leeches as a recreational drug.

      Speak for yourse... Ow! My Blood!

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    23. Re:Nature by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Synthetic THC (Marinol) is currently used in medicine and is readily available to anyone licensed to prescribe drugs. It won't get you high unless you take a lot of it, though, and it makes you more sleepy than stony. Er, reputedly...

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    24. Re:Nature by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      So, want to make bets on how long it will be before blowfish are fished for drug manufacturers to the brink of extinction?

      A similar problem occurred when yew tree bark was found to contain a useful breast cancer drug. Taking the bark usually killed the trees and they aren't prolific in the first place; fine if you got it before the trees were wiped out. Fortunately someone figured out how to process a version of the drug that was in the needles.

      I hope they can make an artificial version of the blowfish drug.

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    25. Re:Nature by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1
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  2. i've been reloading this for minutes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and nothing!

    hell, it's blowfish, consider this a canvas.

    it's not even in games!

  3. so how many.. by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Funny

    first thought it be a crypto article?

    and of the new drug, let the stimutacs jokes roll! sealab kicks ass!

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    1. Re:so how many.. by Hanji · · Score: 1

      *raises hand*

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  4. Does it mean... by Jesrad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does it mean I can now order some Fugu sashimi from the local chemist ?

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  5. MOD PARENT UP +++9999 INSIGHTFUL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    w00t

  6. So 600 doses... by BoomerSooner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    will run about $500/per dose? Remember recouping R&D is expensive.

    1. Re:So 600 doses... by MrLint · · Score: 1

      As i understand this will be marketed under the brand name "Stimutacs" The logo will be of the god marduk.

    2. Re:So 600 doses... by TheClam · · Score: 1

      You totally rule.

      I totally already know that.

  7. While you wait... by XenonChloride · · Score: 3, Informative

    While you wait for the order, read a bit about Tetrodotoxin, which was the Molecule of the Month in November 1999.

  8. Netcraft Survey Reports... by ActiveSX · · Score: 2, Funny

    BSD is dea... Wait a second. Poison? Drugs? Biotech? Shit, wrong topic.

  9. TTX by yet+another+coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tetrodotoxin is commonly used in biomedical research to silence neurons. It blocks sodium channels. I had wondered in the past why it did not exist as a drug for humans.

    There are many sodium channel blocking anesthetics available now. The drugs that end in -caine are mostly sodium channel blockers. Benzocaine, novacaine and lidocaine are examples.

    From the article, it seems that TTX is being investigated for general systemic use rather than as a local anesthetic. There are only vague mentions of injections. I would appreciate more information about the drug's indications and delivery.

  10. YHBT YHL by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

    HAND

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    1. Re:YHBT YHL by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      I feel so ashamed for wasting a total of 5 minutes of my life.

      Remember that you too wasted equal shares of your time, and although you must feel a sense of victory, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best. A troll should do more than just waste people's time--he should ignite people's tempers. You certainly failed at that.

      You are a lousy troll. A good one wouldn't have "given up" in such a patently lame fashion.

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    2. Re:YHBT YHL by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      I must interject my bot here. It got 4 replies from you. I will polish its analysis so it can get a little more.

      Thanks, you have been most useful.

      Steve.

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    3. Re:YHBT YHL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm so glad I could help out.

      Oh man...I think I did it again. You are incredible.

  11. And the impact of psychological pain? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Morphine and other opiates are bad because they depress the entire central nervous system -- they deaden everthing. Yet this is also a good quality for treating certain patient cases mentioned by the article. The problem with a blowfish analgesic is that it will alleviate physical pain, but do nothing for the psychological pain of terminal illness. Whereas morphine will make you forget your troubles, blowfish medicine will leave you clearheaded to consider your fate.

    Otherwise, blowfish medicine might do wonders for pain associated with surgery and trama. And, its nonaddictive nature might help doctors be less stingy with painkillers. Unfortunately, there remains the issue of whether managed care will cover the costs for mere pain control.

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    1. Re:And the impact of psychological pain? by ndogg · · Score: 0

      I guess it depends on the person.

      I know for myself, I hate feeling like I do not have control over my mental state. I prefer being able to see what is going on with me and my surroundings with a clear head.

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    2. Re:And the impact of psychological pain? by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      The problem with a blowfish analgesic is that it will alleviate physical pain, but do nothing for the psychological pain of terminal illness.

      That's not a bug; it's a feature.

      A drug with narrower effects permits a physician to more precisely tailor the treatment. Being able to treat chronic pain without suffering a corresponding loss in the ability to think clearly is a tremendously useful thing.

      The psychological effects of terminal illness are probably not best handled with opiates anyway. Counselling and antidepressant medication would seem to be indicated--not doping patients into a blissful stupor.

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    3. Re:And the impact of psychological pain? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      The psychological effects of terminal illness are probably not best handled with opiates anyway. Counselling and antidepressant medication would seem to be indicated--not doping patients into a blissful stupor.

      Absolutely correct! How can a physician diagnose a patient's condition when the patient is in la-la land due to his/her meds?

      That said, though -- and not to belittle the point at all -- I see this as something of a Godsend for straight-arrow geeks like myself. Never so much as took a single puff of a joint -- I was like that kid on the commercial who passes it on down the line without sampling it. Coke? LSD? You gotta be nuts. That crap voids the warranty.

      Once I know my number is up, all bets are off. If I had my choice, I'd be sorely tempted to spend my last two or three months indulging heavily in all the vices I avoided during my "healthy" life for fear of harming myself. Nothing that would hurt anyone else, just a blissful slide into the abyss.

      And now, no worrying about the opioids interacting with each other? Set the table, baby! One of each!

      * Important Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change my mind at any time, and with my luck, I'll get hit by a bus anyway.

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  12. Cool, first zombies, now this by ralphus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Tetrodotoxin is pretty neat stuff. I recall years ago reading The Serpent and the Rainbow about Harvard ethnobotanist, Wade Davis' adventures with Haitian voodoo culture and exploring the uses of tetrodotoxin to create zombies. Don't let the cheesy fictional movie fool you, the book is legitimate ethnobotany and well worth a read.

    Anyhow, tetrodotoxin fascinated me then, and it does now. Maybe someday I'll be in Japan and actually get to try Fugu and have a first hand experience with a light consumption of tetrodotoxin.

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  13. Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe that's why it didn't kill Homer.

  14. Hmmmm by aphexbrett · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see why this is news worthy. Just about *every* single drug today has its origins in some marine life (or bacteria/mold). For instance, many research groups get millions of grant dollars flying to remote areas, cutting up the local inhabitants, and then running cell assays on them. If they make it through a certain number of assays (generally for cytoxicity, but others exist) then they publish the info. Just check out the Journal of Natural Products. Issues upon issues of this stuff. The interesting stuff comes later, when the synthetic organic chemists try to create these things artificially, generally in really low yields. In fact, a project I was working on was the synthesis of a marine ladder toxin that is one of the active compounds in red tide catastrophes (see this book). It too blocks sodium ion channels. Probably the most famous cancer fighting compound, taxol, is isolated from the bark of the pacific yew tree.

    1. Re:Hmmmm by Muhammar · · Score: 1

      "Just about *every* single drug today has its origins in some marine life (or bacteria/mold)."

      This is simply untruth. Natural products and natural-product synthetic analogs are only a minor fraction of modern drugs. (But an important fraction).

      Synthesis of natural products gets publicity. Complex molecules are very difficult to make in the lab. The academia groups are doing it for prestige and fun. But if it takes 3 grad students and 3 postdocs to complete a synthesis of a 2 mg of the material within 4 years, its probably a very good chemistry and education, but not a practical drug. Even if the natural compound is promising, you need a practical source of the material, which often means making some poor organism to produce it in insane quantities. They don't like to. They would rather die.

      If you are doing drug research on a natural product, you have a head-start because you get right away something potent, often even behaving drug-like (having decent oral absorbtion, etc). But your starting material is likely to be incredibly scarce, rather finicky in terms of stability and as a medicinal chemist you will have probably have very limited choice for making changes in the final molecule. Maybe I am biased because I am lazy.

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  15. Don't tell them it isn't addictive ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is almost too good to be true. Let's all hope that the government passes legislation against this so that we don't see a rise in recreational blowfish users.

  16. What about.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about co-caine?

    1. Re:What about.... by yet+another+coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cocaine is a good local anesthetic. It used to be popular for ear procedures. Taken systemically, it acts on the dopaminergic system to get a person really, really high.

  17. Re:Nature: Natural != Safe by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have so much to learn from nature !!

    An excellent point, but we need to be cautious. Although we have many medicines derived from natural sources, these natural substances require just as much scrutiny as man-made synthetic ones. Most natural medicines are derived from what amounts to chemical weapons created by organisms to either kill/disable prey or kill/sicken predators. As such, they can have nasty side-effects.

    A blowfish, leech, or cannibis plant does not care if a person gets cancer 10 years later, suffers permanent neurological damage, or occasionally dies abruptly. In many cases, extreme toxic reactions are the entire point of the chemical. On the one hand, humans have millions of years of evolution to adapt to these natural chemicals. On the other hand, these organisms have had millions of evolution to create ever nastier defensive/offensive chemicals.

    Even long-used natural medicines can be unsafe. Very few cultures have had the inclination and record-keeping skills to correlate medicine consumption with long-term illnesses like cancer, dementia, heart disease, liver disease, etc. Very few cultures have had the numerical sample size to detect medicines that might be fatal on a rare but consistent basis. Despite a multi-thousand-year history of use, it was only in the last few decades that we uncovered the link between willow bark (aspirin) and Reyes syndrome (which is rare but fatal for children).

    Just because something is natural, does not make it safe. Whether blowfish toxin or leech saliva make a good medications will take millions of dollars of clinical research and then perhaps millions of patients to discover.

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  18. But.... by TrebleJunkie · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know this is all in the name of science, but what's Hootie gonna do without the rest of the band?

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    1. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this is all in the name of science, but what's Hootie gonna do without the rest of the band?

      Hopefully, nothing. :P

  19. zombies by hlee · · Score: 1

    Tetradotoxin is the main ingredient used to turn people into zombies. Yes, really.. there's a well-documented case - search for Clarvius Narcisse.

    Frankly, I'm surprised there hasn't been more research (evil grin)...

    1. Re:zombies by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Negative. That is Worcestershire sauce.

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  20. Remember, you have to fast while you're on these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because if you don't, there won't be room inside you for Marduk, Slayer of Tiamut.

    Ride the Stimutacs, baby!!

  21. Simpsons quote by gooru · · Score: 1

    Come on, pal! Fugu me!

  22. Blowfish, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC, nerve agents work by disabling the nervous system by blocking signals going to and from the brain. I would not be the least bit surprised to find that higher dosages of this painkiller have the same effect.

    As with any drug, an overdose is a serious problem. Other painkillers act quickly and their overdose can be dealt with before the patient dies. But because of the fact that this drug affects the nervous system directly and is slowly metabolized, an overdose might not become apparent until after it was already too late to save the patient. I would suspect that the drug first blocks incoming brain signals, and increased doses, outgoing impulses. An overdose of this drug would probably work much like being exposed to nerve gas - the paralysis of the nerves would make it impossible for the victim to breathe, causing death by asphyxiation.

  23. Obligatory ISR riff by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

    Nobody's doing leeches as a recreational drug.

    IN SOVIET RUSSIA, medicinal leeches get high on YOU!

    Hey, I think there's a cool '80s song lyric in there, somewhere.

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  24. Cooooool.... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Dooood, I'm smoking a serious leech right now! Far out!

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