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China Releases Cyber Dissident

Posted by timothy on from the no-hard-feelings-eh dept.

Ridgelift writes "Reuters UK has the story on the release of three 'cyber dissidents' just one week before a trip by visit by Premier Wen Jiabao to the United States. One of the dissidents, 23-year-old Liu Di, aka the 'Stainless Steel Mouse,' had been detained since November 2002. She wrote political satire about the ruling Communist Party and posted messages in Internet chatrooms calling for the release of online dissidents. She was never formally charged, but kept at Qincheng Prison for over a year."

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  1. Unfair! by npistentis · · Score: 5, Funny

    How is it that some people get cool nicknames, like "the Stainless Steel Mouse" and "Iceman" and "Dozer." The best I could ever manage was Lunchbox...

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  2. Outrageous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    She was never formally charged, but kept at Qincheng Prison for over a year.


    Never formally charged! That's outrageous! When will those Chicoms desist from such tyrannical and autocratic practices and embrace democracy, a proper Bill of Rights and the rule of law like we have here in the good ol' US of A.

  3. It's called compare and contrast (ie, not OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Mitnick was held without bail for over two years before sentencing: he has said that he set some kind of United States record by being held for four and a half years without a bail hearing, while also held in solitary confinement for eight months 'in order to prevent a possible nuclear strike being initiated by me from a prison payphone'."
    Kevin_Mitnick

    1. Re:It's called compare and contrast (ie, not OT) by jsebrech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, it's easy to find specific allegations of torture. It's also quite easy to find that the international and US courts have no control over guantanamo bay prisoners. And it's easy to find this from multiple sources. To me the very fact that the US government doesn't want courts to get involved signifies they're likely doing stuff that can not see the light of day. If there's nothing to hide, why are they hiding it?

      Ofcourse, you could argue that these are all lies and hearsay, and that the US government would never ever use torture. But it is a fact that prisoners on guantanamo bay are held illegally (according to the geneva convention they should be pow's, but the US claims they aren't), and that they do not have due process rights (inalienable human right). If the US is breaking the law anyway in their detainment of these prisoners, would it be such a stretch to imagine them using torture as well?

      There is such a thing as psychological torture by the way. If you're being held without accusation, without promise of release, ever (despite that the war in afghanistan is over, pow's haven't been returned or formally accused of a crime), and without even access to counsel or basically the outside world, would you feel ok? I'd feel downright miserable in such circumstances, even if they did not lay a hand on me. The geneva convention's definition of torture is "cruel and unusual treatment", which does not need to have a physical component involved.

      I see no need for guantanamo bay. If the people there did something wrong, the regular US judicial system should be able to handle it. If they didn't do something wrong (and no, fighting for your country is not a crime), they should be freed. The very existance of guantanamo bay is a slap in the face of justice.

  4. Translation by richie2000 · · Score: 5, Funny
    "She was never formally charged, but kept at Qincheng Prison for over a year."

    So Qincheng is the Chinese word for Guantanamo, then? Good to know.

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  5. This would be good..... by StingRay02 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...if not for the fact that it's probably just a PR move. It seems like every time the U.S. has something to do with China, human rights becomes the issue of the day. By releasing a couple of dissidents, China can say "Look, we respect human rights." It rings very hollow.

  6. Both sides of the pond? by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before we get all high and mighty, and conclude that we in the United States are so much better, superior, or luckier, remember about the prisoners the US is holding RIGHT NOW in Guantanamo Bay.

    These prisoners of the US Government were held for a year or more.

    Let's clean up our own act before we get all high and mighty about the Chinese, heh?

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    1. Re:Both sides of the pond? by release7 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And don't forget the fact that China has MFN (most favored nation) trade status despite the blatant disregard for human rights. Then compare this to our embargoes against Cuba, whose only crime is having a lot of anti-Castro supporters in Florida who would vote against Bush for lifting any sanctions on the island nation.

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  7. Simpleton by GCP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can't think of a better way to govern that many people than an authoritarian regime with no elections that proclaims itself to be the "People's Government" and has imprisoned and murdered tens of millions of people for disagreeing?

    Not a very deep thinker are you? The US and EU combined are about half the population of China. Do you mean to say that if our populations were simply to double, our best option would be to abandon democracy, rule of law, elections, free markets, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc., and demonstrate that anyone who disagreed would end up dead? That's really the best you can come up with?

    You sound like a product of Chinese (re)education.

    Of course, you could argue that we can do it because we don't have to have one government controlling all of those people. We have several governments, each covering only a portion of those people, each subject to independent replacement every election day.

    Of course China doesn't have to do it all with one government either. The Tibetans, Uighurs, Taiwanese, Hong Kongese...would love to take some of the "burden" off those poor overworked murderers in Beijing. But Beijing is just like you. They can't think of a better way for them to keep governing than by doing what they're doing, either.

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  8. China vs,. US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Someone explain to me how
    • the US
    • is never right about anything it does,
    • Europe calls it a "crime against humanity" when the US executes 71 people in 2002
    • groups like our faithful slashdot posters and Amnesty International constantly bitch and whine about how evil the US is, and
    • basically ALL the problems of the world are America's fault
    and,
    • China (in recent times)
    • builds the great firewall of China,
    • suppresses free speech,
    • executes 1,000+ people in 2002 (over 14x the US total)
    • conquers countries and actually FORMALLY integrates them into China,
    • moves people in forced migrations, and
    • commits various other human right abuses,
    and the our "right-thinking left-wing friends" never say shit about it?

    I realize anti-Americanism is popular, but ...

  9. What happened to fighting for freedom in the USA? by Adolph_Hitler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I notice people are willing to fight for freedom for the Iraqis, for the Chinese, for every country imagineable but in the USA we want a police state to protect ourselves from the terrorists? I'm confused, someone please explain this to me. We pass the patriot act, and make it possible to toss anyone in prison who even resembles a terrorist with no trial, nothing. I'd be worried about the USA.

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  10. Re:hmmm... by Eloquence · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anyone with half a brain will admit that China is more repressive on most domestic issues than the US. However, the fact that valid comparisons can be made in limited areas should be enough to give Americans the heebie-jeebies. Furthermore, you will hardly convince anyone by listing "factoids" without botherting to cite sources. Case in point: The total prison population in China, according to the World Prison Population List, is about 1.4 million. It is highly doubtful that 1 million of these are "dissidents". So this seems to be a fairly blatant case of numbers being exaggerated for political effect ("1 million" .. "300,000" - when you have nice, round numbers like these, you know you're dealing with public relations data). What's worse, the US is currently leading the international list, both in relative and absolute numbers, with more than 1.9 million people in prison, and that does not include detentions abroad. This in spite of the fact that the US has about 1/4th the population of China. The only country that has a larger percentage of the population in prison is Rwanda, where over 100,000 people are held on suspicion of participating in the 1994 genocide of over 800,000 people.

    Why are so many Americans in prison, under third world medical conditions? The war on drugs, primarily, but also idiotic minimum sentencing laws. Where China executes people as a "deterrence", the US lock them up for decades for the same reason, while still retaining a provably flawed capital punishment system. And, by the way, according to Amnesty International:

    Seven countries since 1990 are known to have executed prisoners who were under 18 years old at the time of the crime - Congo (Democratic Republic), Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, USA and Yemen. The country which carried out the greatest number of known executions of child offenders was the USA (17 since 1990).

    There are many other very serious social issues in the US (insufficient health care, police brutality, religious fundamentalism, sexual hysteria ..), and just waving the finger at China and shouting "Woo, we're so great" is not going to cut it. The US needs to get serious about cleaning up at home before trying to impose itself as the world police elsewhere. Getting rid of your idiot president would be a good start.

  11. You don't have to look at China... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    or even Guantanamo Bay... last week in Miami there were hundreds of people locked up for protesting at the anti-FTAA demonstrations, many still there struggling for bail money.

    When people came to protest at the jail, the police simply proceeded to arrest the protestors again to get them out of the way.

    If you want an example of a "police state" just look at the USA right now, you don't need to look as far as China.

    more arrests and jail info at
    http://www.ftaaimc.org/ and http://www.stopftaa.org