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Internet Security: Where Do We Stand

buxton writes "The Economist is running an interesting story which overviews the current global situation on internet security in hackers, terrorism, worms & virii, Microsoft's 'monoculture', and a bunch of other interesting points. Some nice suggestions made by big names in the software industry have been included, such as creating more easily traceable methods of people (i.e. trying to eliminate online anonimity) as a method of preventing hackers. One suggestion which I thought was partictularly interesting involved a bounty system whereby a price would be put on 'hacker's heads', incentivating other hackers to go after them and bring them forward."

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  1. Re:How about we encourage people to use IPTables? by mental_telepathy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good call. Hey grandma, just type IPTables -t INPUT --dport 80 -j DENY at the command line. Me, I'm getting my family to buy macs. Regardless if you think they are more secure because of OS or more secure because of being a smaller target, right now they are more secure, and you get click-button firewalling.

  2. I believe there is an answer by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And people are starting to understand it.

    The Internet is not a planned system. It grows and connects like a natural system obeying laws such as Zipf's Law.

    When it comes to security, the best model for what is going on in the Internet is also an organic model, namely the naturally occuring phenomenon of parasites, and the way these evolve in any real or simulated ecology.

    I've gone into boring detail in my journal.

    My opinion is that until we use natural models, and learn from them, we will not be able to stop the rising tide of parasitical code that infests the Internet.

    "Monocultures" are a large part of the problem, and the Economist rightly argues that opening the Windows source code to third parties would create more variety and thus more security. But I think we have to go much further, towards systems that actively evolve to protect themselves against parasites.

    I've been criticised for saying this by people who say "it's just a metaphor, it does not mean anything". This is untrue: it is a model, one that we can use to understand what the heck is going on: what are the dynamics behind the process, what are the weaknesses of today's infrastructure, and what are the best solutions.

    Let me summarize this one more time: The internet behaves like an ecology, obeys the same laws as natural ecologies, falls prey to the same problems as natural ecologies, and if we want to create structures that survive these problems, we must understand things in terms of an ecology, not a planned design.

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  3. Why don't we just implement more security? by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful
    One suggestion which I thought was partictularly interesting involved a bounty system whereby a price would be put on 'hacker's heads', incentivating other hackers to go after them and bring them forward.

    No clever ideas like this are, were, or ever will be a suitable substitute for implementing real security. People need to wake up and realize that "hackers" are successful because peole still prefer convenience above all else.

    For one, we still have this serious problem of people using software that is fundamentally insecure (Outlook, IE, ISS, Windows, etc). Nobody seems to be getting the point that Microsoft products fail utterly at meeting any of Microsoft's promises about security.

    Of course, I would venture that is not even the biggest problem. People refuse to use strong passwords (or at least change them regularly). Software is not kept updated on servers (I recognize that free and open software like Linux is insecure if you're behind the times). Services are kept wide open so that nobody has to go searching for access (think file shares). Nobody uses encryption (viruses and spam would cease if company mail servers required valid PGP signatures from employees on emails before they got delivered),

    There's so much that needs to be done. The above is hardly an exhaustive list (nor was I making an attempt to create one), but nobody seems interested in taking a crack at what really matters. Instead most seem to be more interested in silly ideas like "hacker bounties" which would be utterly ineffective against a group of people which do not seem to fear consequences for their actions.

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  4. Security will never be achieved by pvt_medic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While total security will never be achieved, I feel that there are efforts that can be made to minimize the effects of hackers.

    The internet will never have total security. There will always be ways around any programing that was made. There will always be bugs, loop-holes, etc. We are not perfect in our ability to program, and subsequently are coding is not perfect.

    But with this being said that doesnt mean that we cant do anything to help protect ourselves. We can make effective practices of protecting systems by physical methods. If you dont want people to hack your system dont connect it up to the internet. While I know that those nuclear technicians love to surf the web while at work, but that doesnt have to be the same system that runs the reactor.

    Virus writers will always exist, just like music sharing, and ads. The key is just how you will negate their effects.

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  5. Babies and Bathwater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I'm kind of a fan of eliminating anonymity," says Alan Nugent, the chief technologist at Novell, a software company, "if that is the price for security."

    On the surface, this is a sensible statement, but this is the kind of thinking which must be debunked at all costs. What is needed are systems which allow anonymity where it is valuable and eliminate it where it is not.

    Just as in the real world, we have the option of using our credit cards to buy groceries, and cash to buy or anti-government literature, the internet needs security where security is important and must still provide anonymity where users judge it to be important to them. To say it is impossible to provide both shows a failure of imagination on the part of the commentator.

    Enforcing security by exposing everybody to scrutiny denies us freedom. Don't let it happen. Chose the right to be an anonymous coward, if that's what your subject demands.

  6. Re:Anonimity necessary by RLiegh · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It has been a huge boon for political activists in countries with "overbearing" governments, for whistleblowers in all nations, and for all sorts of other reasons.


    Are you so niave as to not realise that in our increasingly totalitarian world, these are all detriments.

    How do you think John Ashcroft feels about people who percieve the US as having an "overbearing government" being able to speak out anonymously and with impunity?

    Hasn't he gone on record about his views on that?

    And as far as whistle-blowers go; no corporation considers whistle blowing to be a Good Thing, and therefore if they were presented with that angle of online anonymity they would probably pony up Even More Money to fight it.

    So, in short, the reasons you cite are the reasons why online anonymity is now a thing of the past.
  7. Re:How about we encourage people to use IPTables? by Maestro4k · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • Isn't teaching people how to defend themselves using free open source software better than talking about the best way to start up a posse? With just IPTables and SpamCop configured properly most of these security problems disappear.
    The problem is most people don't want to deal with OSS if that means using Linux. They want to be able to use most of the software that they can find in most stores, share it with friends, etc. As much as I like Linux, I use Windows XP on my main system because I prefer a lot of windows-based tools to linux-based ones. (And this includes free/shareware, not just commercial software.)

    Before someone says it, WINE isn't the answer, not yet anyway. I'm an expert user, and I have troubles with getting things to work under WINE, or at least things I _want_, not just things that will. This is the deal-breaker for your average joes, they won't deal with it.

    Besides, OSS software can be harder to secure right if you don't know what you're doing fully. I think the best approach all around is to hold companies responsible for glaring defeciences. If you have a bug/security hole found every once in a while it's one thing. When you have them found weekly, if not daily, and you have a closed-source product, then there's really no excuse for it.

  8. Re:Anonimity necessary by lurvdrum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Such a law would need to go further and make the software supplier liable for consequential losses incurred from using their software. THEN you would see Windows getting a proper rewrite.