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GNOME In Australia, France, India And Malaysia
Anonymous BillyGoat writes "According to the recently released GNOME summary, a number of number of country specific lists have come up for GNOME advocacy/development/marketing. Countries represented include Australia, France, India and Malaysia.
These lists are a part of the newly created GNOME Marketing project."
These lists are a part of the newly created GNOME Marketing project."
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So every company aiming to sell linux desktop solutions will use gnome to avoid paying the qt developers for the license?
You can't sell a program binded to qt without paying?
What propietary software in novell and others trying to insert in their linux desktops?
Why is GNOME so populated with marketing types? Hell, even their top hackers (Miguel, Nat? Star speakers?) are publicity driven. Compare and contrast to linux kernel development where Linus *the star of the linux world* actively shuns the spotlight. In the GNOME community you have everyone racing to the cameras. Not away.
I don't want FOSS to become all about the best propoganda. People hackers? Sheesh.
If the thing was designed properly, integration wouldn't be much of an issue.
Most of a 'desktop environment' important details are underneath, not the pretty GUI. ( though the importance of having a CONSISTANT GUI shouldn't be dismissed. )
They should have had mechanisms in place from DAY ONE for shared information and intercommunications.. not something that was seemingly tacked-on later.. Integration of the desktop must be done on the fonctionnality level, not on the software level.
KDE is MUCH closer to this, as they planned ahead, and didn't just wing-it since it was 'pretty'. See here for example.
The problem with GNOME is that they use GTK+ object-oriented style, but don't borrow the most important aspect of (early, anyhow) GTK... cleanliness and simplicity! Without that, the GTK-inspired GNOME macro, er object, system is COMPLETELY INCOHERENT and to put it completely blunt: SHIT.
Not to mention the fact that the numerous API libraries do not work well together and stability will NEVER be achieved since one package will ALWAYS depend on something that is considered beta or unstable.
Don't even get me started on the various ad-hoc configuration mechanisms and the nightmare that is CORBA and Bonobo.
Sorry to sound harsh, but it was a complaint of mine from day one of GNOME, it just wasn't professional.. They worried more about a smelly foot in the menu then making it solid and consistent.. Now they are finding out the price to be paid if they want to stick around and be more then a cute plaything...
But I'm not really sure what to think of it, honestly. That they'd have to involve money to have things that SHOULD be simple get done.
If you think I'm lying, try KDE 3.2 Rudi and Gnome 2.4. Once you have tried them both, you won't EVER want to use Gnome again! Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
/gnu/celeron
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.
Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.
Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.
Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.
Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.
Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!
For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.
You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.
Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.
Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files
My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...
Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.
Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.
Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.
I used Gnome for several years (enlightenment before).
:(
:(
I liked the eye candy and the nice icons.
Now, since a few months I use xinerama 3*1600*1200 on an athlon 1.2 with g550+sparkle.
I love it (xinerama) and don't want to miss it, but the (lack of) speed is horrable. I can't even move a terminal window without trouble.
But I said, hey, that's the prize for having a 4800x1200 desktop.
But last week (just out of curiosity) I apt'ed kde 3.1
Guess what?
It runs like hell, not even the slightest delay when moving any window. Everything runs smooth now. I'm astonished.
And it doesn't look bad at all (anymore). It even has a working control-center.
The only thing that is still slow is mozilla
Now if it only was GPL
it's been my experience that Gnomes can't climb stairs.
I love nethack.
with as much gnome bias that floats around opensource and linux, it's like considering microsoft windows as the perfect alternative to microsoft windows.
in my experience.. gnome has often been slow and bloated (exactly what gnome followers claim about everything else) but the fact remains that, with running just the basics, it eats more ram than kde with add-ons. people like gnome because it doesnt use QT and it's "more free" than kde... (where kde runs up the buck unlike gnome.)
hell, you can create a perfect desktop environment with icewm and dfm (or something like it)
if gnome keeps getting pushed and doesnt do something about the bloat.. it'll be hurt by big time competitors.. such as microsoft or apple.. apple will use its quartz argument... microsoft will find little things.. plus the fact it's slow, compare the two.. then trump up the results to make it more dramatic. and when a user uses gnome.. microsoft will look like the heroes of the desktop..
so the developers need to start trimming down unneeded crap.
Either you want Linux to become mainstream and widely adopted, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. If it is to become a serious presence on the desktop, companies are bound to add proprietary elements to their personal flavors/distributions. That doesn't stop you from using Linux.
It is exactly this 'well if it isn't 100% free I don't want it involved with Linux' mentality that is keeping Linux from the prime time.
I have run Linux gnome on equivalent hardware to Windows and always found gnome faster than Windows. Also the recent improvements made to Gnome has improved speed and ease of use somewhat.