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McBride's New Open Letter on Copyrights

dtfinch writes "An open letter was posted today by Darl McBride, where he restates his claim that the GPL violates the U.S. Constitution, patent laws, copyright laws, and the DMCA. Mostly he just builds up a false image of the Free Software Foundation and open source supporters claiming that they have no respect for intellectual property and believe copyrights should be eliminated, then attacks that image, AKA the straw man attack. Nothing we haven't seen before."

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  1. Groklaw already has a nice analysis.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Right here...

    Also there is some other SCO news on the front page.

    Personally I can't get past how SCO reckons they can make the GPL invalid and then face all the angry kernel developers suing them for illegally distributing their copyrighted works....

  2. Re:Software Patents aren't the same as Copyrights by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Informative

    If copyright didn't exist, the GPL could not exist -- everything would be public domain, and companies could release binary-only software.

    I seriously doubt that RedHat has interest in blowing away copyright.

    Most of this letter really is a straw man attack. It's not worth my time to punch holes in all of Darl's claims, but among other flaws:

    (A) Darl claims that the GPL violates the Constitution and a number of other things. All "evidence", weak as it is, deals entirely with his claims about the motivations of several groups of people that happen to use the GPL. It has nothing to do with the GPL itself. This is a logical fallacy, on the order of saying "Bob owns a gun and Bob owns a big truck, so anyone owning a gun uses an excessive amount of gas".

    (B) It's pretty clear that RH doesn't want to eliminate copyrights. Software patents are a significant disaster -- they are in a few company's corporate interests, but you will be very hard-pressed to find *any* engineer that supports them.

    (C) McBride claimed that the GPL is invalid. Again. I'm wondering how he intends to argue that SCO didn't massively infringe copyrights of thousands of parties by then distributing Linux. Again. Same old, same old.

    (D) McBride lies, and is happy to deliberately mislead people. We have seen this over and over and over in his claims and releases for almost a year now. It would be more of a surprise to find that he's being honest than that he's lying again.

  3. DMCA Protects U.S. From... Foreigners? by hoeferbe · · Score: 2, Informative
    Darl writes:
    Congress adopted the DMCA... ...without [the DMCA's] protection, American companies would unfairly lose technology advantages to companies in other countries through piracy...
    I know many people joke about how U.S. laws are being applied outside its jurisdiction, but it appears that Mr. McBride actually believes it! How does a U.S. law stop (for example) Chinese citizens from doing something in China?! The only thing it could do would be to stop the importation of certain goods (like region-free DVD players). There is no technological advantages 'lost', though, and definately not from 'piracy'.
  4. Re:AKA the straw man attack by Pseudonym · · Score: 2, Informative

    Exactly. The argument boils down to "The GPL is unconstitutional because the people who wrote it don't like some current laws."

    Of course, not liking current laws is also constitutionally protected in the USA, as is the right to voice ones opinions on the matter.

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  5. Re:basis in law! by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Informative

    You should probably read the MAI v. Peak case from the 9th Circuit. Although it's a stupid decision, and there are indications that it's incorrect, it does significantly limit the application of 117. It gets worse if you read the Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse case that followed it.

    Nevertheless, there is little need in the US for EULAs.

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  6. Or by Darl's bro and a tech writer?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, anyone have the original html (before sco stripped out that info)?

    http://www.gr oklaw.net/article.php?sto ry=20031204195915515

    "But here is the odd part: SCO's lawyers didn't write this manifesto and neither did Darl, judging by the headers on the Word file. Yes, thanks to Microsoft's utter disregard for user privacy, we know who actually wrote this document, or at least whose computer was used. You see, Microsoft preserves such info as metadata, little pieces of info about you in the headers of each document you write in Word. Someone on Yahoo took a look at the document's Properties, and the document records that it was written by Kevin McBride and Dean Zimmerman, who is apparently a tech writer."

  7. There's a problem with all of this by Lane.exe · · Score: 2, Informative
    SCO claims that the GPL violates existing copyright laws because it "grants" a copyright. But the GPL doesn't grant any copyright. In fact, it works as just the opposite. Instead of allowing any one person to claim an open project for themselves, it remains in a sense public property so long as the original source is cited and the code remains open for anyone to tinker with. That's not the case with copyrights. I can't remix a song and release it without paying for rights. I can't go rewrite Lord of the Rings and publish it because it's copyrighted. But I can download an OSS project, modify it, and then I HAVE to release my modifications if I want to publicly distribute my modifications to the source. It's not a copyright. EOS.

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  8. And you thought the law was dry by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 5, Informative

    Take a look at this document (note: it's a PDF file). It's written in legalese, but if you read between the lines, it shows what happens when a lawyer loses patience. Basically, IBM's law firm can't call SCO a bunch of liars, cheats, four-flushers and shysters in a court document, but this document sure makes it sound like they wish they could. Highly entertaining, and highly recommended.

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  9. Re:Closed Letter by sy161e · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd say the funny part about the author's rants and raves about Red Hat are contradicted in the link provided:

    Red Hat has aggressively lobbied Congress to eliminate software patents and copyrights.

    However, after visiting the site, the only word used is "patent," the only occurance of "copyright" is at the bottom of the page claiming that it's a &copy of Redhat.

  10. Re:Irony abounds. by Urkki · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it's only for investors.

    They couldn't care less about the "Linux license" pocket money. And as it is, all SCO needs is a PR and law departments, so if other employees go away, that would only be convenient. And somehow I don't see him caring the slight bit about what his mom thinks of SCO business practices, either...

  11. Re:Don't they......they don't..... by Trepalium · · Score: 4, Informative

    They've already entered several counterclaims. No sense having two trials when one will suffice, right? IBM has claimed Breach of Contract, Lanham Act Violation, Unfair Competition, Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Relations, Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices, Breach of GNU General Public License, Promissory Estoppel (in regards to the GPL) Copyright Infringement, four counts of Patent Infringement, and is seeking a Declaratory Judgment. Should be enough to bury SCO, eh?

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  12. Re:Irony abounds. by pjrc · · Score: 4, Informative
    They want to distract the press by publishing this letter.

    Indeed. That's why it was published on Dec 4th... one day before Dec 5th when the judge has scheduled oral arguements the 3 motions to compel discovery (2 by IBM against SCO and 1 by SCO against IBM).

    I'm not going to make predictions about what the judge will say or do tommorrow... but I will predict that this diversionary tactic doesn't prevent coverage of whatever the judge says.

  13. SCO's lawyers didn't write this... by joebeone · · Score: 3, Informative

    check this out (from groklaw):

    [...]

    But here is the odd part: SCO's lawyers didn't write this manifesto and neither did Darl, judging by the headers on the Word file. Yes, thanks to Microsoft's utter disregard for user privacy, we know who actually wrote this document, or at least whose computer was used. You see, Microsoft preserves such info as metadata, little pieces of info about you in the headers of each document you write in Word. Someone on Yahoo took a look at the document's Properties, and the document records that it was written by Kevin McBride and Dean Zimmerman, who is apparently a tech writer.

    [...]

  14. Re:Unconstitutional ??? by pjrc · · Score: 4, Informative
    At the risk of /. blaspheme (trying to understand SCO's arguement rather than immediately discounting it)....

    I don't get it. How can the GPL be unconstitutional ?

    The basic arguement seem to be that the constitution states the purpose of copyright is the "promote progress of science..." AND the supreme court recently wrote "motive of profit is the engine that ensures progress of science".

    There's certainly no disputing that the constitution really does have that, and that the court really did write such an opinon recently.

    They claim the GPL is designed to destroy the profit motive. Suspecd disbelief for a moment and ignore the scant profit Redhat made a couple times.

    So, if you put these three things together, you get:

    constitution = progress = profit_motive;
    GPL = !profit_motive;

    GPL != constitutional;

    I personally suspect there are a dozen reasons why this argument is bad. But that is, as nearly as I can tell from the letter, the basic arguement.

  15. Re:Irony abounds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    >the lawyers wrote it...

    IAAL. I can assure you that the PR people wrote it with a smattering of legalese dusted on top. The "arguments" are incoherent, the "authorities" are off the point while the rant at the outset about copy-left, etc. is completely irrelevant.

    I must admit to admiring the ability to spout this rubbish with a straight face. :)

  16. Elimination of copyrights by leandrod · · Score: 2, Informative

    While saying that Red Hat or the community in general are for the elimination of copyrights, it should be noted that originally RMS was for their elimination, and that the GNU GPL was seen more of a pragmatic revolutionary tool that would be unncessary once the elimination of copyrights was attained at least in the software domain.

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  17. Re:Irony abounds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    According an article at groklaw, someone analyzed the headers in the Word document that was the source of the letter, and it was written by Kevin McBride and Dean Zimmerman, technical writers.

    See http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200312041 95915515

  18. You know, I haven't seen that bit said that well.. by mengel · · Score: 2, Informative
    I think the second to last paragraph, above, is brilliant. I hadn't directly juxtaposed the two sides of the contradiction in my head yet.

    If GPL is not valid:

    • SCO has been releasing Linux illegally
    else:
    • SCO has released their IP already under the GPL.
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  19. No by maroberts · · Score: 2, Informative

    Noone gets any satisfaction with modding ACs down.

    Lets respond to the troll.

    Why give away the programs? So the programmers can make money by selling support and consultancy services. Funnily enough, they often found companies of their own to do this.

    In Eldred, they didn't rule in favour of SCO's opinion, they ruled in favour of Ashcrofts line. It had nothing to do with SCOs opinion. And while we disagree with the DMCA, it protects Linux hippies from companies like SCO too.

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