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Linux in the Developing World

Norsemann writes "Peter Spotts of the Christian Science Monitor has some very interesting things to say about the latest wave of Linux adoptions throughout Asia and beyond. He hits on some important points about not only China's role in Open Source but the 'global' role in Open Source... Perhaps the best is still yet to come." The BBC also has a nice story about Brazil using Linux in cybercafes.

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  1. Who will build our digital future? by TechnoVooDooDaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same type of people who built our digital past..

    here's a hint, it wasn't megacorp!

    megacorps just figure out how to make it for the masses...

    1. Re:Who will build our digital future? by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The same type of people who built our digital past..

      here's a hint, it wasn't megacorp!


      No offense, but have you ever heard of IBM? Or DEC? Or Intel? Or Texas Instruments?

    2. Re:Who will build our digital future? by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ut IBM only made the IBM PC because two guys called Steve had started raking in a fortune from the production of a computer put together in a garage.

      Wow, you're not up on your computing history. Hint: IBM played a bit of a role in computing prior to the IBM PC.

    3. Re:Who will build our digital future? by minus9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "IBM played a bit of a role in computing prior to the IBM PC"

      I'm aware of that, but the proliferation of the personal computer was a pretty major turning point in our digital past. Hint: Mortals were finally allowed near them.

    4. Re:Who will build our digital future? by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The same type of people who built our digital past..

      here's a hint, it wasn't megacorp!

      No offense, but have you ever heard of IBM? Or DEC? Or Intel? Or Texas Instruments?

      Ummm I think his point is that the Universities the DOD (in the states) and various research organisations had far more to do with creating our modern computer/internet world than all the mega corps put together: and of course he's right.

      I know thats hard for the corporate mind set to swallow, but it's true. Thats one of those things about the corporate world I find so funny, they always over estimate their place/contribution in the world, in short they seriously overrate themselves.

      They have been far more parasites on the research world than contributers, still they have some use, if we can just end the present inbalance/corruption.

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    5. Re:Who will build our digital future? by HoldmyCauls · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I can't provide adequate research to justify it, the parent-parent poster seems to be making the point that without the software, the hardware companies would be up a certain creek. IBM, DEC, Intel, TI, et al, of course, provided a wonderful foundation for the computing industry we have today. Without the hardware aspect, there would be no such industry, and these technologies would be nowhere near as ubiquitous as they are today. However, all these companies would have to admit that, with no software, there would have been no function for hardware. What's more, the job of software creation has historically (I've spent classes with people who were there for the market and the promise of high-paying jobs) gone to those who -- to use a fairly universal (read: Freudian) metaphor -- get a boner from the processes, structure, manipulation, etc. involved in making the hardware do what it can. From the tales I've heard of old Unix (and what can be seen at least in the Linux world -- kudos the the BSD crowd for their perseverence without equal praise) I know that no single commercial interpretation of what software "should do" has managed to define its actual function in the real world -- different strokes for different folks -- and that the best implementations and the best ideas for what software *can* do can be separated as wheat from chaff (though obviously this is not always what happense). So, yes, thank you hardware companies for giving us physical space in which our ideas can run freely, but thank you more to those who have made the most of it with their own ideas.

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  2. Hmmm... by mirko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have not RTFA but I would imagine this is about the ever-increasing market share of GNU/Linux.

    Now, I am not actually sure we'll see the day when everybody and their mothers will run Linux as we know it.

    I somehow think that, in the end, Linux will indeed be everywhere but hidden below some proprietary interfaces... Kinda like BSD-under-Aqua = OSX.

    I wish I were wrong but it would still be a nice thing to see both systems coexist this way.

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  3. What's the win here? This is not because it's OSS by Osrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're seeing usage and adoption here because it's free. On the face of it adoptions like this look good but there are no long term plans to educate or update the software that is being used in many of these scenarios... the reality is that vast chunks of the developing world will be dumped in 2003 with little or no sustainable technology future.

  4. Re:Open Source in developing countries by neiffer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you are missing the point. Sure, $40 is a bargain to the Western pocketbook, but I assure you it is a hefty price for our brothers and sisters in Thailand. $40 may be several months salary.

  5. Re:I am in Indonesia at the moment by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    didn't know what localhost referred to :P) but this is what you get without an affordable public education system...

    That's a serious non sequitor. In my 12 years of "free" public education, I never took a class that taught anything about TCP/IP.

    Most computer knowledge isn't taught, it's learned.

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  6. Re:Linux's best quality? by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Brazilian government is up and going, too. There may be little or no correlationl, but stock took off there, but has been dragging everywhere else. I'd think less of it, but two of the larger European OSS nations, Germany and France, are showing better optimism than the UK which has been hamstrung by MS on a few occasions in the last 5 years. It's still possible to drop MS and restore the lead in IT that the UK used to enjoy.

    The same economic benefits apply to rich nations as well as developing ones. However, I'd expect several orders of magnitude greater benefit.

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  7. U.S. falling behind? by freedog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is an important development that doesn't get the attention it deserves. Meanwhile, U.S. schools are almost completely dominated by proprietary software -- could it be that in not too long a timespan ( 20 years?) the U.S. will start to become an intellectual ghetto? I mean, the ratio of engineers and CS majors is dropping in this country compared to MBAs/lawyers. Anyway -- here it comes: I for one welcome our new Brazilian street-urchin overlords!

  8. Re:reading level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Finally, an article that challenges me technically

    Dude, the Christian Science Monitor is a general interest newspaper. What's more, it is of very high quality, and extremely cheap. Even though it is published by a church, the "Christian" part is negligible (and I'm not Christian). They have a fascinating history. You will be enlightened reading CSMonitor instead of USA today or other tabloid mass market crap.

  9. Re:Open Source in developing countries by rbp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has been engaged in an some agressive pricing tactics here in Brazil for a while now, including in our major universities. They even give their software for free (you know, the first one is always free...), if they think it'll pay off in the future.

    It is therefore important to make the decision people (including the government) realize that price is not the reason why free software is better, specially in schools and government-related projects. Hey, it's not even an important reason, in many cases.

    They have to understand that free software is better because its quality is superior; because we get to see what's inside, so we learn more; we don't have to take anyone's word on its keeping our private data, well, private; we don't depend on a single vendor; we can even start developing our own version, based on what's available, if we want to, thus having complete control and developing our own technology.

    It's just a better idea, pricing aside. If "they" believe price is the only advantage, we're on very thin ice...

  10. Re:I am in Indonesia at the moment by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful


    That's a serious non sequitor. In my 12 years of "free" public education, I never took a class that taught anything about TCP/IP.

    Most computer knowledge isn't taught, it's learned.


    I have always believed that the most important thing you can learn from school (especially higher education) is the ability to learn.

    Also, I am not looking at a single person, but rather a trend that I have seen.

    Also bear in mind that when an ISP decides to upgrade a piece of hardware around here, sometimes we lose connectivity for *days.* Same with the telecoms!

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  11. Re:What if SCO wins? by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks to something called "sovereignty" {the international version of "an Englishman's home is his castle"}, if a person in country A does something in country A which is not against the laws of country A but would be against the laws of country B had that person done it on country B's soil, the authorities in country B cannot take any action against that person.

    So even if the GPL is found invalid in the USA {and it can't be - read it, it's airtight} then it still carries weight in the rest of the world. If SCO are to be believed, Linux is in the public domain anyway {and thus can never be copyrighted by anyone}. But it's quite likely that, if anything enters the public domain, it will be SCO UnixWare - either by court order, or by natural lapse of copyright what with the case having dragged on for so long.

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  12. Re:First oficial translation of the FSF by jrrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So would that be translated into GNU/Portuguese?

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  13. Re:CHRISTIAN science monitor? by shis-ka-bob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Open your head just a little. The Monitor is a reputable journal.

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  14. Re:I am in Indonesia at the moment by varjag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a serious non sequitor. In my 12 years of "free" public education, I never took a class that taught anything about TCP/IP.

    It taught you at least to read, write and some math, which is a prerequisite for learning any technology, but you seem to be taking it for granted.

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  15. Re:Open Source is a good thing! by fitten · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OSS promotes learning about how a computer actually works. This is diametrically opposed to what the MegaCorps want.

    It isn't necessarily about "what the MegaCorps want". Are you sure that everyone must know how a computer works in order to use one? Are you sure that they even care how the thing works? Why do PlayStations and such outsell PCs historically by orders of magnitude?

    The "common" person just wants the thing to work. The thing is magic to them as far as they are concerned. Do they know how their TV works or even their automobile? I would bet that the vast majority of folks could care less. They just want it to work and work reliably. To them, these are tools, not hobbies or even lifestyles. Look at the Sci-Fi envisioning of computers in the future... voice responsive, human interactive, natural language processing machines. Not something you see Captain Kirk opening the side of a beige case dorking with jumpers and graphics cards unless the ship is being blown out from under him.

    So, I would disagree with you a bit on what the MegaCrops are doing. I think the MegaCorps are doing what they think that people want.

  16. Re:Open Source is a good thing! by TheLinuxSRC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not sure how my comment got modded down as a troll and yours did not.....

    Anyway, I would agree with you under normal circumstances. Joe Consumer has no interest in what goes on underneath the hood (car, computer, whatever). However, the article (you did RTFA, right?) is about how OSS can help developing countries. My comment was derived directly from the parent posters comment - "The other major advantage of investing in Open Source is that the younger generation ( who are'nt into the commercial aspects of computing as yet ) grow up and learn within a framework that encourages choice and alternatives rather than constricting you into a predesignated thought process." In other words, he was referring to people who are learning about computers already. Now if you choose to not want to know what makes them tick, that is your option, but OSS promotes learning in that if you want to learn, there is alot of accurate documentation available for most popular packages that make up the various free operating systems. Unlike Microsoft who refuses to publish many features of their software outside the realm of Microsoft. Again, the choice is yours, do you want/need to know what makes computers tick?

    "Why do PlayStations and such outsell PCs historically by orders of magnitude? " -- do you have a source on that? Unless you are referring to games in general, I find it hard to believe that console games outsell personal computers.

  17. Open Source in developing countries-RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Microsoft's foreign price reductions will bite them in the ass. American companies and individuals will start asking why they're forced to pay $100 + per seat while those outside Microsoft's native land get away with less than half that. "

    So when's this argument going to work against the RIAA/MPAA? I'm still waiting.