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Plow Operators Object to GPS Tracking System

An anonymous reader writes "The Boston Globe is reporting on a dispute between private plowing contractors and the state highway department. The state has mandated all trucks to equip with GPS enabled cellphones for tracking. The drivers have refused, just in time for a big winter storm. The latest seems to be that they have reached a compromise (no details yet), but the dispute highlights the public safety versus employee privacy issue. Presumably plowing could be more efficient and possibly save lives during storms if the trucks could be tracked.. a good thing. Or is this simply a step closer to an Orwellian society, where the State knows where we all are?" This earlier story does a much better job of detailing their grievances - apparently it's about money as much as anything, with the GPS tracking system being only a secondary issue.

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  1. This is contractual, not about privacy by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Privacy issue my ass.

    It's a contractual issue.

    The employer (which happens to be the state) wants to know if the employee is really doing the work (or as much of the work as) the employee claims.

    This is not about tracking where I go after work, or if I visit my mistress for an extra-martial screw.

    It's all about ensuring the state gets what it pays for, and any tracking is done exclusively during the employee's work.

    This is legal, and this is good.

    1. Re:This is contractual, not about privacy by strider_starslayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget this is also about accountability. My cousin living just outside of New York was nearly hit by a plough and just barely managed to jump out of the way, the plough then took off the grill on the front of his truck and he got sprayed with rocks as the thing went screaming past; he sent the bill to the city, the city had to pay it, but he was told that the city was very upset with this because it happened all over and all the plough operators were blaming the independent plough operators, and all the independent plough operators were blaming the company plough operators- ultimately the city had to swallow the bill itself without being able to pass it on to the guilty party despite the fact that my cousin had an accurate time for when the incident happened. With GPS tracking that won't happen again, they'll simply look up who was where, determine wither or not they were actually there, and present the bill to the proper party. I can see how many people would not like this accountability, but I'm surprised that there aren't any Plough operators who are all for this- since it will let those who are good at there job shine, and keep there job while those who are lazy/sloppy will finally get there's and be fired.

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    2. Re:This is contractual, not about privacy by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You seem to have a very narrow understanding of the word privacy, it seems. Commonly, privacy doesn't only mean "private matter". In this context it means "the quality or state of being apart from company or observation".

      > It's a contractual issue.
      Yeah, and the contractors do not agree with the new contract terms. Case closed.

      > wants to know if the employee is really doing the work (or as much of the work as) the employee claims.

      Yes, but it offers the possibility of a different quality of control.
      Not a casual check, whether the street/highway has been plowed by the contractor, but a minuit surveillance of every move of every single plow operator at work. I can imagine that most workers would be reluctant to agree to such terms.

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    3. Re:This is contractual, not about privacy by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My supervisor has the right, if he wishes, to stand in my cubicle during the entire day and what what I do. He has the right to monitor me in other ways, if he wishes, as well. However, the instant I'm off work, he loses that power.

      When you're at work, you're on your employer's dime. If they want to watch you all the time, that's their deal. If they want to install a camera in your office, that's fine. If you don't like it, quit. I have a friend that had the camera thing done to him and he DID quit. IT was his employer's right to play Big Brother and watch him and his right to tell them to stick it up their ass and get a new job.

      Also contractors not agreeing to terms is NOT case closed. In many industries, it's not hard to find replacements.

  2. What privacy concerns? by jeeves99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you are being paid to plow a street, shouldn't the state be allowed to audit whether you've done the work or not? It seems that the only people who would/should be concerned here are those that are overcharging the state.

    Oftentimes I find that the claims of "big brother" or misquotes of Orwell are made by those striving to protect their illicit activities.

    1. Re:What privacy concerns? by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      us American's have a natural and benificial mistrust of big business and big government!

      hahhhah *cough* PATRIOT ACT *cough* ahahaha
      RIAA, MPAA, Bush, Haliburton, Enron, DMCA, Microsoft, etc. etc..

  3. It's not tracking the people... by cperciva · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's tracking the plows. The government may not have the right to track where people go, but surely it has a right to track where government property goes.

    This is nothing more than employees getting irate about losing their unofficial extended coffee breaks.

  4. Getting tired of this? by Hackie_Chan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or is this simply a step closer to an Orwellian society, where the State knows where we all are?

    Am I the only one that's getting tired of these comments? What Slashdotters need to do is to seperate fiction from facts and weed out the conspiracies. Preaching death of the world we know it is fun and all, but every little thing in the news isn't a sign of it. Calm down, guys. Okay?

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  5. Management issue by Slashamatic · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Unlike rain which usually comes down relatively evenly over an area, snow doesn't. It blows around and some areas get much more than others. Knowing where there are problems with drifting and where the ploughs are, allows the highways dept to put the two together more effectively.

    This is as much the case as the Time and Motion aspect.

    1. Re:Management issue by Slashamatic · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No the idea is that someone notices a particularly bad area, typically police. They call in and you can see which equipment is nearby and radio them to see if they can help out. They may not be but at least you have an idea.

      A snow-plough route may be somewhat long and it may be a problem to ascertain where a particular operator is at a given point in time. Even with the best possible intetion, a schedule can vary a lot because of conditions. Having radio control (ie. comms *and* position) allows the best use of equipment and allows for reports of conditions to be instantly linked to location.

  6. Re:On GPS and Privacy by 56ker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a bit different though as company cars belong to the company, the /. story referred to contractor's vehicles.

  7. Re:About the Money by spicedhamhawg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to the article, the phones are provided to the contractors by the state. Those refusing to carry them "rejected the contract and returned the GPS phones they had been issued." The cost of equipment was never an issue, since the operators are not and were not being asked to pay for the equipment.

    Three things that are important issues are, first, that the contract, as worded, would have required them to pay a higher insurance premium, but the state claims they have fixed that.

    The next is the 30-minute response time, however, it's unclear if that means 30 minutes to respond and say "I'll plow" or 30 minutes to be at the assembly point. It may be the latter, sine the article states that no one has been turned away for showing up late, because the foremen knew they were just stuck in traffic (incidentally, if you are carrying the phone and are stuck in traffic on the way to the assembly point, the GPS phone can prove it for you, which could be a good thing from the plow operator's point of view).

    Third is the issue of only getting paid for two hours minimum if they are called up for work. The example the article cites concerns a person who gets called in for an extra hour of work. Under the former system, that operator would be compensated for four hours of work. Under the new rules, the compensation would be only two hours. I can see where this would be a sticking point, because if it takes you more than 30 minutes from the time you are called to get to the assembly point and get the plow, and more than 30 minutes to get home again afterwards, at only two hours of compensation it's hardly worth your time to show up, yet if you don't show up you likely won't get called anymore. At four hours, that is unlikely to happen, and they probably even make a tidy profit out of it.

    Now, some people might object to that, but look at it this way: you are on hourly pay and your employer calls you up on Satuday morning, when you may already have something else you'd rather do (catching up on all the sleep you didn't get during the work week, maybe) and asks if you could come in for an hour to do something really important and says they'll pay you two hours' wages to do it. However, it takes you 45 minutes to drive to work (I live in LA, where most people go that long or longer, probably also true for most other big cities) and another 45 to get back. This doesn't even take into account the time to get ready, and the lost opportunity of whatever else you had planned to do.

    How interested would you be? Probably not much. You might do it, either because you had to or because it would just look bad if you didn't, but you wouldn't like it much. However, if they were putting four hours' pay on the table and you were sure you could do the extra work in no more than two, it would be a good deal for you. In the worst case - it actually takes you four hours to get the work done - well, you've still made an extra four hours' pay, which is a much bigger incentive than only two hours' pay.

    The plow operators don't know which battles to choose here. They should forget the GPS thing, which is not unreasonable and could improve everyone's safety, and focus on the other points. Those matter a lot more.