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How Would You Like a Business to Behave?

professorhojo asks: "These days on the 'net, it seems like a company can go from being regarded as a Good Citizen to Evildoer in a matter of hours (witness Yahoo!'s willingness to time and time again reinterpret their own privacy policy as it suits them and their advertisers). I am at the helm of a new software company and I want us to stand apart from the rest with rock solid ethics, and policies that put the user first, that won't change or waver at the behest of advertising money. What I want to know from you is simple:what are the essential things a company has to promise and stick to? More importantly, what things have companies done, which have made you do a double-take and totally reconsider doing business with them? Why am I asking this? Well, I believe that in the future, the ethics of a company will greatly impact on their bottom line. What's good for our customers is good for us, and customers will be drawn to us BECAUSE of it." It sounds good, but reality has a tendency of getting in the way of good ethics. What suggestions would you make to keep difficult choices from compromising the ethics you would like your company to embody?

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  1. Who cares, just be consistent by _iris · · Score: 4, Informative

    For your customers who are individuals (vs companies):

    Simple pricing structures with simple paper work and no hidden costs.
    Simple, honest price increases. If you just need more cash, say so. Don't blame it on "market events."

    1. Re:Who cares, just be consistent by Wolfrider · · Score: 4, Insightful

      --One more thing:

      o DON'T force your employees to work >8.5 hours a day. Hire enough people to spread the work around.

      o If anyone has to work over 8.5 hours, PAY OVERTIME.

      o And remember to hire *good* middle management who will actually stick up for, and defend, their employees - NOT mistreat them.

      o Promote from within wherever possible, and give good raises if someone has to go from hourly to salary.

      o DON'T take advantage of salaried workers. The tendency is to overwork them. Make sure all their hard work is appreciated.

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    2. Re:Who cares, just be consistent by Jellybob · · Score: 4, Insightful
      DON'T take advantage of salaried workers. The tendency is to overwork them. Make sure all their hard work is appreciated.

      That's a huge one for me - I just did overtime for the last 4 weeks while we were running one of the courses the charity I work for runs.

      I'm not getting paid for it, just some extra time off over christmas - however I'm more than happy to do it because all through the time I've been thanked for doing the work, and generally enjoyed myself.

      Another big one is to make sure your employees are happy doing what they're doing - and more importantly, if they're *not* happy, listen to that fact, and try to let them do more of what they do enjoy.
    3. Re:Who cares, just be consistent by Demolition · · Score: 3, Interesting

      o DON'T take advantage of salaried workers. The tendency is to overwork them. Make sure all their hard work is appreciated.

      The extension to this is that if you must push your employees hard, then you need to compensate/reward them properly. Some examples of ways to reward employees were discussed in this earlier Slashdot thread (re: Christmas bonuses).

      As well as giving performance bonuses (and sometimes gifts as tokens of appreciation), at the request of some of my full-time employees I've also given them the option of banking overtime hours (versus just being paid straight overtime). An employee banks his/her hours at the overtime rate, then we calculate the corresponding hours that he/she will take off (at a time that is mutually beneficial for him/her and me). This may be similar to what Jellybob mentioned in his earlier post.

      Of course, this type of time/wage manipulation may not be legal in some cities/states/provinces/countries. I had to get a variance from the labour relations board to do this legally. but, everyone came on board wit hthe idea and it's working for us. It works particularly well for my casual employees. They get more hours by filling in when the full-timers are on their banked time off.

      Anyway, the point that I started off making is to treat the employees right. Happy employees make efficient employees. Efficient employees make my business more profitable. I complete the circle by "sharing the wealth" and making my emplyees happy.

      D.

  2. Brutal Honesty by JetScootr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Especially in advertising. You know how a company will compare their product to their competitors? One example comes to mind: Medicine. Tylenol, for years, compared the effectiveness of extra-strength Tylenol to regular-strength aspirin. Do your comparisons honestly.
    Itemized features? The kind that have a column for yours, and a column for theirs? Shock your potential customers by putting in a few of the features they have but you don't, and put a "NO" in your column and a "YES" in theirs. This kind of advertising would make me move the despisometer from zero to "surprising respect".
    I've gotten to where I automatically reject as dishonest EVERY ad I see on TV or read anywhere.
    Honest advertising that was obviously honest would be such a huge change from the norm that you would definitely stand out in a positive way. (Think "Miracle on 34th Street")

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    1. Re:Brutal Honesty by grotgrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Check out what CodeWeavers post on their site. Read both The Real Dirt and their EULA. It makes quite clear what you get (tangible and intangible), how well the product works, and the EULA isn't even evil and even has some humor in it.

    2. Re:Brutal Honesty by Lendrick · · Score: 2, Funny

      From their page:

      Internet Explorer works and you should find it usable for light use. However it still has some problems, and is not quite ready for production, full time use yet.

      So now they're claiming that IE works as well in Crossover Office as it does under native Windows. Go figure.

    3. Re:Brutal Honesty by netsharc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nasty Side Effects
      Their product: Yes!!
      Our product: No!!

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  3. Google by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The guys at Google got it right.

    "Don't be evil."

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  4. Oh, and one other thing... by JetScootr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whatever you see SCO do, do the exact opposite.

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  5. This sounds good... by edalytical · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...but you better find a way to cover your ass. It has been a dream of mine to create a ethical company as well.

    However, the founder of the Computer Game Developers' Conference, Chris Crawford, wanted to CGDC to be a non-profit organization. But their treasurer wanted a for-profit corporation, he convinced the other members of the board that this was the way to go. Eventually the board members kicked Crawford out, took his stock and sold the conference for $3 million, giving Crawford only a small piece of what the others got.

    I had second thoughts when I read this in the book "Chris Crawford on Game Design." All it takes is the other people in your company to decide your ethical ways of doing things are compromising profit. If this happens your screwed.

    But by all means don't let something like this stop you from trying, I'm sure there are ways to prevent take overs, I just don't know what they are.

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  6. Do something ORIGINAL! by jptechnical · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What I want in a company is a good product that has a niche. Not just a code monkeys college product turned commercial (not that that is always bad... think samba).
    Provide a good product that does something your competitors dont do or dont do well.
    Document it and make it idiot proof and then back it up!
    Good luck, good ethics will help you alot. Keep to your goals.

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  7. A software company? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, two things come to mind instantly.

    First, register your software's copyright, and include a full and complete copy of the source, sufficiently well-commented that once the copyright expires, people will be able to make reasonable use of it. (not to mention learn from it whilst still copyrighted)

    Second, don't use adhesive use contracts e.g. EULAs. There's nothing wrong with just outright selling software instead of making dubious claims of licensing it, and it doesn't leave you unprotected to do so. The last book you bought at Amazon didn't have a EULA -- why should your software?

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    1. Re:A software company? by elendel · · Score: 2, Informative

      While you may be right from a practical standpoint, what with copyright extensions every time something is about to expire, we have this thing called the United States Constitution:

      "Section 8. The Congress shall have power...
      To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries"

      Notice the phrase "limited times"
      You might want to point this out to your congressman.

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    2. Re:A software company? by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Even with no further extensions to the copyright law, you can be pretty sure that any software will be pretty much useless by the time its copyright has expired. The copyright of a program written today will last almost twice as long as the entire history of digital computers. Unless you expect technological advancement to grind to an unexpected halt in the near future, it's probably not worth worrying about what's going to happen to your code when its copyright expires.

      On the other hand, people are stupid enough that the Y2K bug happened.

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  8. A few pointers by ezraekman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the most important commodity you'll have to maintain is trust. This is not simply not changing your policies repeatedly; it is a combination of factors:

    Privacy
    Your customer's data is important information. Almost every type of company imaginable now takes andvantage of it, and shares it with others. This includes, but is not limited to: banks, phone, cable, utility and insurance companies, subscription-based services, etc. It's scary just how many companies will "opt you in" to their marketing schemes, some of which they no longer control once it leaves the company.

    It is important that you protect your customer's data, both from fraud and industrial espianage... as well as from your own company. It's pretty straightforward: Think about what your company will do with the data, then ask yourself if you would trust your own personal information to your own company. If the answer is no, you might want to make some policy changes.

    Customer Service
    The United States is an interesting place. Customer service seems to be a far greater deal than it is elsewhere, according to all of my international friends and relatives. Because of this, your customer-facing employees can win you evangelist customers, or sink your company just with words over the phone. Here's a couple of tips:

    The customer is always right
    Yeah, right. Often, the customer is an irate, unreasonable bastard of a phone call to deal with. But if you treat them as what they're acting like, you will only infuriate them more. When a customer calls in with a complaint, don't let your reps get so hung up on defending the company. Many times, the customer actually has a legitimate complaint; they just aren't phrasing it well. Even if they're wrong, telling them so won't help the situation. Be agreeable. Let them get it out of their system, so long as they aren't abusive. Apologize, even when it isn't your fault, and mean it. When I speak with a client who has accidentally deleted half the content of their website and thinks I'm responsible, I always apologize for any confusion that there might have been. (And I make sure I keep backups, even though the contract ended a year ago.) And I am sorry. I wish that they had not been placed in this position, even if it isn't my fault. I have no animosity towards my customers, and neither should your employees. If they do, they don't belong in customer service.

    Keep your promises
    Many times, a customer service representative will make a promise that violates a company's normal terms of service or standard policies and procedures. This is a HUGE problem among customer service centers. How many times have you called in and promised something, only to be told later that "Oh, we're sorry that you were told incorrect information, but that's against our policies"? If your reps promise something, YOU have promised something. Remember, you have appointed these people to speak for and make promises for your company that you MUST honor, if you wish to remain trustworthy. If you don't trust them to do this, you've hired the wrong people, or you've failed to train them properly. It only takes one customer with a tape recorder to turn a case of bad customer service into a case of fraud. The difference is the proof they bring to court.

    Communication
    Your actual policies aren't all that important. You will discover which ones will work, and which ones won't, based on customer response. But you must stick with those policies. From a customer perspective, what you tell them you will do is your policy. If you break your policy for a customer, you'd better be damn sure that they know that they shouldn't expect it in the future. It's even safer to not break your policies at all... but that is sometimes necessary to appease a disgruntled customer. But also bear in mind that this customer might not be in the right. If this is the case, it's not necessarily y

  9. Some suggestions by LordOfYourPants · · Score: 2, Interesting

    #1: Don't lay off people when you're posting record profits.

    #2: Don't get yourself a generic patent meant to serve as suing fodder years down the line instead of something being designed for a specific product/piece of S/W.

    #3: Check out any downbeat memo at internalmemos.com or stories from fuckedcompany.com and try not to re-create them.

    #4: Don't sacrifice experienced employees for cheap ones.

    #5: Try not to have employees living under the constant threat of layoffs. Sticks instead of dangling carrots get annoying after a while.

    Most of these points run into each other. A lot of them seem like common sense and can be boiled down to "Don't be a greedy bastard."

  10. Hire ethical people, don't sell out to VCs by MightyTribble · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are people out there in business who aren't complete sleazeballs, who understand that spamming (either via email or fax) is not an ethical way to grow a business, that 'human resources' means more than just hiring and firing. Find them and hire them. Listen to them, and let their ethical lead create an honest workplace.

    While we're at it, resist the lure of VC funds for as long as you can. VCs are (almost-universally) ethically-suspect, not-very-smart people who have too much money and lots of friends at the golf course. As soon as they get a hook into your company, the rot will set in - even if it's only you having to BS them at board meetings.

  11. Don't sweat it... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just be yourself. I'll figure out for myself an appropriate level of trust and respect. I mean, I don't really understand your question. What people want is usually pretty obvious. It's also impossible to give everyone everything they want and remain in business. Figuring out the balance between those two is what management is there to do. It's not something you can sum up in a neat formula.

  12. Publish Buglist by jayrtfm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    make the bug reporting/documenting process open, so that when we do run into a suspected bug we can do a quick search to find out if you know about it.

    Nothing I hate more than doing a google search, not finding anything, then spending time to prepare a tested step by step description to repeat the bug, only to have a 2nd level support guy tell me that it's been in their private bugbase for months.

  13. Be careful what you rationalize to yourself. by Lendrick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When your company is down on its luck, it's easy to say things like, "oh, our customers would really love to hear about all of these great offers we have for them," as opposed to, "let's not spam these people who trusted us not to inundate them with crap."

    It's probably a fair guess that most companies don't start making ethically questionable decisions like the above example unless they would otherwise go out of business. What you really need to ask yourself is whether or not you are prepared to let your company go under rather than letting go of your ethical standards. It's not an easy question to answer.

  14. think about the future by Geno+Z+Heinlein · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I believe that in the future, the ethics of a company will greatly impact on their bottom line. What's good for our customers is good for us, and customers will be drawn to us BECAUSE of it.

    I'm glad you said that, because "future" is the key word here. I believe that libertarian and Adam Smith economics can work, but they're based on the idea of people looking at what's in their own long-term best interest.

    Every time you make a decision, ask yourself how it impacts your profits in the long run. If you maximize your long-term profits, you'll automatically -- invisible-hand style -- make the decision that best serves both you and your customers.

  15. He Does by Orien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just having that kind of a desire to be ethical is a step in the right direction. One thing to keep in mind is that when you are fixing bugs and implementing features it is plain as day to the customer weather your priority is yourself or your customer. A perfect example of this: We use an accounting package where I work that is licenced on a concurrent users model. We have run tight on our licences and people are regularly not able to log in. However getting another five seats is so expensive we can't get approval to buy more. We discovered that lots of people have the application open for long periods of time with out using it. Ever since we ran tight on licences we have been begging to have a feature in the software that will time out and log off a user if they are inactive for an hour or two. Is the company going to give us that feature? Of course not. There is no incentive because otherwise we will eventually have to break down and buy more licences. This leaves us feeling like we are being taken advantage of. We are loyal customers, we do beta testing for them, but they still pull this little stunt that makes them look money hungry. Just remember that your customers arn't all dumb, and your true priorities come through if you like it or not.

    1. Re:He Does by perlchild · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just having that kind of a desire to be ethical is a step in the right direction.

      Yes it is, but a really ethical company is ethical EVEN if it costs them money... The problem is that a lot of companies who were previously ethical, were ethical, as long as they made money through a Dam's water entrance.

      And now that they struggle to survive, they eject the Ethics, while the regular citizens expect the ethics to sink them, or at least, that the Ethics is so important to company culture, that they are willing to die with it.
  16. Support your Products by Detritus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The #1 thing that pisses me off about many companies is their disregard for the customer when they discontinue products. One month they are hyping the product as the optimal solution to your problems, the next month, they kill the product, drop support for it, remove all references to the product from their web site, and pretend it never existed.

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  17. You're going to be tested.... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2, Insightful
    All these principles are good and valid, but in the end it will be your character that determines it. Not until you lie awake a few night sweating about making payroll will you know if you are up to it. Not until you have to turn down a big juicy contract that you know you just can't fulfill, a big contract that would mean months of security, will you know what kind of leader that you are.

    Furthermore, the big disappointment will be the customers themselves. As you strive to ship a quality product for a fair price, they will beat you up wanting more, for less before it's done. Or as a friend said, "they want God in a box for free"

    I wish you well. You will live in exciting times.

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  18. How to keep your ethics sound by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a consultant / system administrator / programmer in business for myself, I have one rule: all I sell is labor. Because of that, I don't sell software and I don't charge a markup on hardware I recommend. It makes everything so much simpler, and I never have to defend my choices as being self-serving. Here are some other suggestions, some of which I've learned the hard way:

    • Obey the Golden Rule. The real one, not 'who has the gold makes the rules'.
    • The customer is always right.
    • Be more honest than you have to be. If your employees and management team know ahead of time that honesty is expected and rewarded and dishonesty will result in dismissal, it will permeate your culture and spill over into your customer and supplier relationships.
    • Avoid debt. Owing money can make you somebody's whore.
    • Never force someone to accept new features to get bug fixes.
    • If you discover a flaw with your product:
      1. Alert your customers, or be open about it, depending on the flaw
      2. Fix it as completely or as quickly as possible, depending on the flaw
      3. Make the fix available for free, and backport it to earlier versions if applicable
    • Remember that your business has a higher purpose than making money. Only you know what that purpose is. If your business existed solely to make money, you'd never have asked what you did. If money were your only objective, you would be in a pure financial market, not the software business. What is it that your business should accomplish besides making money? Put another way: what objective can you miss and consider your business a failure, even if you turn a profit? Answer those questions and your ethical decisions will be straightforward.
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  19. Quality prevails by unixbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Providing the consumer with something that they actually want and feel value for is something that can make a difference. In reference to you question, take the RIAA, SCO and Amazon as examples:

    Amazon aren't the cheapest place to buys books from. But I have remained a loyal customer due to the excellent "people who bought ... also bought ..." feature. I don't mind paying a little extra than other Internet retailers (it's still cheaper than the local bookstore anyway).

    However take the RIAA. Or the music industry in general. I feel quite strongly that the rise of napster and subsequent p2p networks is to do in part with the quality of the product. And the fall in music CD sales is also due to the quality of the product and not to do with p2p. Consumers aren't interested in pop music which is samey and generic and meaningless. A boy band in 2000 regurgitating the same cheesy song the Osmonds sang in the 70's isn't appealing to most. What the music industry today has done is instead of making music that some consumers will really enjoy (and some will detest) they have created a bland product which everyone finds inoffensive.

    SCO have got people's backs up because they are appear to be trying to destroy Linux, which many people are passionate about. However I would argue that the reason they are probably currently the most unpopular company in the technology industry is because they don't have something of their own which they can sell to consumers but instead are taking advantage of others hard work.

    My point is that if you create a good product and don't just adhere to the risk averse bean counter methodology then people will notice this. Promote what makes you stand out and if it's good enough people will love you.

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  20. Be true to yourselves by Kirruth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are some businesses who say, obeying the law and keeping people safe is all business ethics should be about.

    To me, though, great businesses are all about truth. They know the truth of their own capabilities, the truth of what their customers need, the truth of what works and what doesn't, and without bullshitting anyone, they just get on and do the business.

    That's not to say you dont have marketers or lawyers or accountants: you need these in modern business. But as soon as you have marketers and lawyers battling over just how much to lie to the public, and accountants doing "creative accounting", you might as well shut up shop.

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  21. Only partially true, unfortunately by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking as one who has been in business for some time, I'd say if you think being ethical is going to help you get ahead in business you are engaging in wishful thinking.

    What is right is not always expedient.

    What is expedient is not always what is right.

    Honesty starts with yourself: exactly how much are you willing to compromise on your beliefs? Which ones are really important?

    If the answer to the first is zero and the second is all of them, then you either are purer than virtually anyone else in business or you haven't really figured out where you want to draw the line. If you don't decide in advance then you'll probably end up letting circumstances draw the line for you.

    In the end, the main check is this: what would be the result if the thing I am about to do were made public? In a sense, ethical behavior can help reduce certain downsides from recklessly unethical behavior. On the other hand, in extreme circumstances, if expedience is your only guide then you will take the Faustian bargain: either your company continues with tainted ethics, or it dies and the people workig for it are let go. This is hard because, selfishness aside, people depend on you and if you are sensitive you will feel this as a moral obligation, and you will have a hard time teasing out what is purely selfish and what you are doing for your people.

    Integrity is the one ethical virtue which is a true business asset.

    Integrity in the business sense is when your deeds reflect your words. This can be a competitive advantage. But it's harder, because it means knowing when (and how) to say no.

    But in the end, the full spectrum of ethics doesn't do much for your business. You must choose the ethical way because it is what you believe in, because of your self-regard, the desire to preserve your own character.

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  22. Listen to your customers by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would take issue to the oft-quoted (even in this discussion) statement "The customer is always right".

    The customer is not always right. However, the customer always thinks he is right.

    If you blindly follow your customer's whims you will end up with a car designed by Homer Simpson that nobody wants.

    If you LISTEN to your customers, and then THINK about what they said, however, you will end up with a product that they will want to buy.

    However, the tricky bit is dealing with a customer that you disagree with - you must show tact in how you blow them off.

    Case in point: I used to be a regular customer of the Super8 motel chain when I travelled. I would stay there preferentially to other chains. (you may note the use of the past tense in those statements).

    One day I received one of those "fake check" mails from them - what looks like a real check, but in .0001 point microfont on the bottom says "by cashing this check you agree to join this plan that is going to cost you and arm, leg, and the gonad of your choice, for a cost orders of magnitude greater than this check is worth."

    Those sorts of things piss me off. I found the name of the CEO of the company, and sent him a nice letter explaining that I felt such advertising was unacceptable, and that while I was sure that they didn't really MEAN to do that, they should look into the company that they hired to do this and re-evaluate their position.

    In short, I gave them every possible out to use to say "OOPS! Sorry!". I was NOT accusitory in the letter.

    I seriously injured my jaw on the floor upon reading their response. It wasn't a polite-but-bland "YourConcernsAreImportantToUsThankYou" form response. It was not a "You are right, the responsible individuals have been sacked" reponse.

    It was a "Shut up! You Suck! We aren't doing anything wrong! This is NOT misleading! IS NOT! NEENER NEENER NEENER! We are making money doing this, HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE US!" response.

    Needless to say, they lost my business, and I take every opportunity to pass this story along to others.

    In summary - listen to your customers - they may not always BE right, but they always THINK they are right. If you don't THINK they are right, then DON'T just blow them off.

  23. What if you're wrong? by aclarke · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Why am I asking this? Well, I believe that in the future, the ethics of a company will greatly impact on their bottom line. What's good for our customers is good for us, and customers will be drawn to us BECAUSE of it.

    I'm sure this isn't the ONLY reason you want to be ethical, but it's a little disconcerting that you cite it as your main one. I'm not saying I'm the MOST ethical person out there, but I do believe in an absolute standard for what is right and wrong, and I believe that a person should adhere to those standards regardless of wether it makes more or less money.

    I do believe that the ethics of a company will have an impact on its bottom line. However, at times you may be tempted to suspect that good ethics are having a negative impact. It's at those times when, if your ethics are fundamentally based on economics rather than unshakeable principles of what is good and evil, you may lose your way.