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A Glimpse Into 3D future: DirectX Next Preview

Dave Baumann writes "Beyond3D has put up an article based on Microsoft's games developers presentations given at Meltdown, looking at the future directions of MS's next generation DirectX - currently titled "DirectX Next" (DX10). With Pixel Shaders 2.0 and 3.0 already a part of DirectX9 this article gives a feel of what to expect from PS/VS4.0 and other DirectX features hardware developers will be expected to deliver with the likes of R500 and NV50."

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  1. Re:It would be nice by halo1982 · · Score: 4, Informative
    If they could somehow program Dx10 so it was backwards compatiable with cards now (such as radeon 9800 etc), if I'd bought such a card I'd be quite annoyed if there wasn't decent support for it in the future.

    DX10 will work fine with your new card. DX has always done this. DX9 works fine with DX8 cards like the Radeon 9000/9100 and GeForce4 series.
    However the cards do not have support for the new features of DX10 (like PS/VS3/4 etc). The cards can work with the new software, and do, but the hardware just isn't there.

  2. Re:Does this mean OpenGL is finished ? by lemody · · Score: 5, Informative

    OpenGL and DirectX are different kind of systems, DirectX offering interfaces to input devices, sound controlling etc. OpenGL is just for graphics!
    Don't get this personal, I always post like this when someone compares these two :)

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  3. DX9, 10 or whatever already is "compatible"! by cybrthng · · Score: 5, Informative

    DX9 is backwards compatible with even my lowly NV25 and MX cards.

    The issue is my card doesn't have the vertex shaders and other registers that DX9 takes advantage of so i won't be fully accelerating new DX9 features. I can run DX9 games just fine even though my card was designed with 8 in mind.

    Its not that it isn't backwards compatible, it is that your hardware doesn't suport technology of the future since it didn't exist

    Only way around this would be if your GPU core was software driven and they could update it. Otherwise to get new DX10 support, you need a DX10 card that was built with the new functionality in mind.

    Backwards compatibility has nothing to do with it. Its just like in the days of MMX vs NON MMX. IF you had MMX it ran faster, if you didn't it never wouldn't work for you.. just would be slower.

  4. Re:Does this mean OpenGL is finished ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    SDL does this for Linux (and several other OS's including Windows.) It uses OpenGL for the 3D portion. Unfortunately, DirectX is years ahead of SDL.

  5. Re:So what is a shader? by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm no 3d coder guy but as I understand it shaders are short programs you can enter into the GPU to control how a face is rendered [at a given vertex]. Before that you used to say "render me with [phong|gouraud|flat] shading" and the whole thing looked uniform.

    Shaders programs let you do cool things like features [e.g. skin, roughness to things, etc...]

    What I don't get is why didn't they just make the GPU a generic RISC with say 32/32 registers [ALU/FPU] and a set of instructions that fast graphics would require [say saturated X bpp operations, fast division, etc...]

    That way you have a processor you can just upload code to. Also make it a standard so instead of having "every joe and their brothers graphic processor specs...." you have something truly conforming...

    Tom

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  6. Re:So what is a shader? by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 4, Informative

    What I don't get is why didn't they just make the GPU a generic RISC with say 32/32 registers [ALU/FPU] and a set of instructions that fast graphics would require [say saturated X bpp operations, fast division, etc...]

    This was tried in the past, with TI's TIGA (Texas Instruments Graphics Architecture) which supported the TMS34010 and TMS34020/34082 graphics coprocessors. This was a really neat architecture which accelerated 2D and basic 3D operations. Unfortunately, the CPU chip manufacturers (Intel, etc...) would identify the bottlenecks and optimise their CPU's so that the next generation chips would be faster than a current generation CPU/GPU. "Local Bus" basically whacked out TIGA from the market. A real shame, since you could write your own extensions which had complete access to GPU memory (maybe this was a bad thing). They even got as far as having a trapezium rendering algorithm (halfway to rendering triangles).

    Going back to the present day, look for the extensions like ARB_vertex_program and ARB_fragment_program. According to Microsoft's plans, these will at least have identical instruction sets. I wonder how long it will be before we can completely define an entire graphics pipeline using a single program.
    (This would probabl require virtual "clip_vertex", "render_triangle" function calls).

  7. Re:Does this mean OpenGL is finished ? by Screaming+Lunatic · · Score: 4, Informative
    At this point DirectX is years ahead of OpenGL

    No it's not. With the approval of the ARB_vertex_buffer_object extension and GLSlang, both APIs expose about the same level of functionality. Render to texture is a mess in OpenGL right now. But there are Super Buffers/pixel_buffer_object extensions in the works. And the Super Buffers extension looks like it will cover most of the functionality that is slated for DirectX Next.

    Revelant links:

    http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ogl-sample/registry/

    http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ogl-sample/registry/ ARB/vertex_buffer_object.txt

    http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ogl-sample/registry/ ARB/shading_language_100.txt

    http://www.opengl.org/about/arb/notes/meeting_no te_2003-06-10.html

    http://developer.nvidia.com/docs/IO/8230/GDC2003 _OGL_ARBSuperbuffers.pdf

    Note that OpenGL is usually updated once a year at Siggraph. The next version of DirectX is slated for after the release of Longhorn. That'll be 2005 or so.

    Please do not perpetuate the myth that OpenGL is "falling behind" Direct3D. That is plain wrong. And a diservice to both the open source community and the graphics development community.