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Body's Immune System can be Redirected

Ridgelift writes "BBC News have this story of a key chemical signalling system, called Notch, which governs how our body develops immune cells. By pre-treating patients who are about to undergo an organ transplant, it's possible to 'redirect' the immune system so it does not launch an attack on the donor organ. This may soon eliminate the need for transplant patients having to take a lifetime of powerful immunosuppressive drugs that have many unwanted side-effects."

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  1. redirecting the only option? by kurosawdust · · Score: 4, Funny
    does anyone know if the same principles used for redirecting can be applied to accelerate the development of immune system cells?

    If so, please email me, as I would certainly prefer being superhuman and taking over the world.

  2. Multiple Sclerosis by suss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if this could somehow be adapted to treat Multiple sclerosis, where the immune system attacks its own myelin...

    Any thoughts?

    1. Re:Multiple Sclerosis by xplenumx · · Score: 5, Interesting
      But this could yield unwanted side-effects - an artificially "too strong" or "too weak" immune system should have the same problems: either attacking everything, including you possibly (stronger one) or not attacking what it should at all (weaker one).

      You're confusing "too strong" and "too weak" with specificity. Autoimmune diseases result from the immune system attacking the wrong target (self). Having a given autoimmune disorder does not provide a boost in defending against cancer or an attack by a pathogen.

      Immune suppressive drugs work by non-specifically decreasing the immune system as a whole. Immune suppressive drugs work by a method totally foreign to the immune system and parallels to how the immune system is regulated in a healthy individual can not be made.

      I'm not that familiar with CD8+ suppressor T cells, however the jury is still out regarding if CD4+CD25+ suppressor cells are target specific or non-specific (data to support both).

      The immune system is far more complicated that you're making it out to be.

  3. Redirecting is easy by TheRoachMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    immunesystem > /dev/null

  4. Misleading Slashdot summary by xplenumx · · Score: 5, Informative

    By pre-treating patients who are about to undergo an organ transplant, it's possible to 'redirect' the immune system so that it does not launch an attack on the donor organ.

    A couple of quick points:
    1. The experiments were done in mice, not humans.
    2. All the mice undergoing the treatment underwent graft rejection.

    During the early 80s scientists at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center experimented with T-cell depleted stem cell transplants in an effort to prevent graft-versus-host disease (GvHD), a principal cause of death following bone marrow transplantation. The principle behind GvHD is similar to that of an organ rejection, except that the immune system recognizes the whole body as foreign and attacks it. When mice were given T-cell depleted transplants from MHC mismatched donors (something that promotes GvHD and is why you have to find a bone marrow donor match), their survival rates were identical to that of mice who receaved autologous transplants (they donated bone marrow to themselves - no GvHD). To say that the transplant community was excited would be an understatement. One prominent scientist even wrote that "we've (the transplant community) solved the problem of GvHD".

    However, when clinical trials involving humans begain, it was quick discovered that while GvHD was reduced (not eliminated), there was a huge increase in graft failure (in otherwords, the patients didn't develop an immune system - very bad).

    The immune system is a tricky thing. While mice are the experimental model, the experimental results don't always match those from humans. We can do a whole lot of things in vitro to mice cells that we can't even begin to duplicate in human lymphocytes. Additionally, mice and humans don't always share the same functional receptors (mice Ly-108 vs the human KIRs).

    I applaud the BBC news report - at least they identified that the study was simply a step, used animals, and didn't cure the mice. The Slashdot summary is simply flat out incorrect.

    1. Re:Misleading Slashdot summary by gehrehmee · · Score: 4, Informative
      What article were you reading?
      Mice given a heart transplant following such treatment found that the length of time the new organ stayed unmolested by the immune system increased fourfold compared with untreated animals.
      Yes, the mice all rejected the transplant, but the same happened in the untreated mice. The difference is that those who were treated lasted much longer. Keep in mind that this was in absense of any other immune-system suppressants: This treatment in conjection with a milder conventional treatment poses a substantial potential.
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  5. Distributed healing? by dotgod · · Score: 4, Funny

    So this means we can attach a bunch of people to a sick person and redirect all of their immune systems to the sick guy and heal him right?

  6. Excellent news for type 1 diabetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although they've more or less gotten pancreas/islet cell transplants working, the major drawback (besides costs and availability of donors) was the fact you were simply trading insulin injections for anti-rejection drugs. The anti-rejection drugs had their own problems, which made this a less than ideal situation. Many people were hoping they'd come up with a way of making "cloned" islet cells from yourself so that your body wouldn't reject them.

    Additionally, it's possible they could "fix" a type 1's immune system so it doesn't kill off the islet cells again anyway. And for newly diagnosed type 1's, they could potentially stop it in its tracks, and prevent any further islet cell loss.

  7. Alternatively... by FFFish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...Isotechnika has re-designed our old-standard drugs (Cyclosporin, stuff like that) to be far, far less toxic.

    I don't understand it. Sounds good, though!

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