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Evolution 1.5 has Been Released
SirPrize writes "As announced here, Evolution 1.5 is now available for download (obligatory screenshots, for those who want to click and see)" Congrats to all the developers responsible for this gigantic undertaking.
You'd think Sun'd sponsor them a little wouldn't you? What they're doing helps Sun's push for their desktop one hell of a lot.
Is S/MIME support new for this release? I poked around on the site some and it looks like it is but I couldn't find any more information about it.
How are certificates and keys managed? Does it (hopefully) use a PKCS#11 module like Mozilla?
I don't know why more stuff doesn't use S/MIME early on. PGP/GPG and the others are not really standard and don't work off-the-shelf with a lot of big software (Mozilla and Outlook being two of them).
The ratio of people to cake is too big
You don't use Outlook enough. Ever had to run the scanpst.exe utility? When I hit the "Send/Receive" button in Outlook XP at the moment, I get a dialog saying "The operation failed". The other day I ran into a whole bunch of issues when one of my folders that mailing list messages filters to hit 64Ki messages.
I tried installing it just now. Their install program says it does not recognize my distribution .. and will not let me install
I am using Fedora Core 1
Is there ANY way to try out the Ximian Connector before buying it? I can't convince my company to buy it for me, even though I'm on a Linux workstation running all of the *nix boxes in house. (I run rdesktop to connect to a win box to check my email via Outlook - which is a waste). I want to try it, and would gladly buy it myself if I thought it worked fine. Or, can anyone testify to it's usefulness? Evoltion has come such a long way in the past year, I really want to start using that fulltime.
CB
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Anyone know when that is going to be added. I remember seeing some posts about getting started on it on the developer mailing list after 1.4 was released, but I don't see mention of it.
Well, I dunno about that, not that I'm defending Outlook at all - virus-prone piece of sh1t that it is, but since I use POP, I get the same email (in the office) as I do at home.
What I like about Mozilla is the spam filter - fantastic. In the morning I spend 5 minutes filtering mail in outlook, only about 10 seconds in Mozilla. On average I get maybe 400 emails per day, of which about 300-350 are spam. That's because I'm the 'catchall' for the domains though...
If people didn't send me bloody word documents, I'd ditch windows immediately, but Open Office and abiword aren't up to standard yet, for documents that I get sent...
Simon
Physicists get Hadrons!
Evolution will (shortly) be a very capable PIM. With an OS backend of somekind for scheduling, will cover 95% of the "outlook" users needs. But, Outlook does something that no GNU/Linux PIM does yet these form things.
Now, Im not trying to say "outlook r0x0r2 and evolution 6r00l2" or somesuch, so please ease up on the "M$ shill" retorts (and the 'outlook is insecure' w/ vb" stuff as well.
What you can do is send forms, with send a form to a user like an email -- the 'form' appears in their inbox). This form, can do whatever you'd like. You can build work-chain dependant systems with them.
Now, I imagine you can do similar via HTML forms and a Apache backend, but ive used these outlook forms before to enable some 'officialdom' instead of attached emails and forms.... and they worked pretty nice. (i built a simple form that made 'offical' communication between two departments and tracked the sending/recieving and reaction -- pretty simple) its pretty interesting.
around my company, if you don't put lunch & dinner on your calendar and mark it "private appointment" chances are good some schmuck will try and schedule a meeting or a conference call or something during that time...
One of the main goals of the Evolution 5.x/2.0 release is to better separate the different modules, so that separate mail, calendar, task, and contact programs will be much, much easier. The frontend/backend split (i.e. Evolution and evolution-data-server) and simplified APIs will help in this regard, as will the deprecation of the tree-view side-panel. The Evolution hackers are also toying with making stand-alone shells for the calendar, task, contact, and email programs. With the new structure, such separation should be much simpler.
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My company, the godsend that it is, buys food for any employee who wants it, but the order can be in no later than 5:20p. (We get to order off or an actual menu from an actual restaurant)
So, I have a Calendar alert pop up daily at 4:55p, or I'd miss out (very often, in fact). I don't get hungry until 6:00p or so, so I have to visually remind myself to order if I *think* I'll still be here at 6:30p (when the food arrives)
I know it was meant as funny, but it is useful for people like me who can forget to pee for 6 hours because their brain is 'on a roll' with soemthing.
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You've never supported Outlook for others, I take it? It does several weird things with POP3. Take, for instance, this recent problem I've been having where Outlook thinks that a messages is 48KB in size when in fact it's only 46KB. It downloads the 46KB, doesn't get any more for that message, tries again, and again, and again, until it chokes and dies. This one guy had 500Megs of that one message in his inbox, and it never even got removed from the server (neither did anything past it). This is probably the POP server's "fault" (they use Post.Office... *shudder*), but the MDA should definitely be able to handle a fault like that.
Anyways, I'm not bashing Outlook in particular (I think on the whole the Office line is Microsoft's best work), I just find it odd that people are totally used to the bugs in Microsoft programs but think that equally annoying but different bugs somehow bar Linux from the desktop.
All's true that is mistrusted
Uh, no. I would like to think the purpose of releasing OS software for Windows is not to "make a clone," but rather to "supply the same functionality in an application that is open, standards-compliant, and similiar in appearance/use."
A lot of open source developers have the attitude of "anything you can do, we can do better." And this is a good thing. You wouldn't say, "Why run Firebird on Windows? It's just a IE clone, run the real thing," now would you?
Does anyone know if there are plans to add built-in spam filtering like Mozilla has? Right now everyone says to use spamassassin but that doesn't work for some people that I know that user Evolution. They want something built in to the client end.
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
The real question I have for the developers is this: when will we ever see decent PGP/GPG support for Evolution? It's hand-down the most feature complete email app available for GNU/Linux, and yet, still can't do PGP even half as good as Pine, Kmail, Enigmail. The only time I get a PGP'ed email that I can read is ONLY if it was sent by another evolution client, which sounds more like the behavior I would expect from LookOut. Hell, the only way I've gotten decent GPG support for Evo is to have Pine reading a folder where I filter encrypted messages into, Pine reads them just fine, Evolution can't. I've looked through all the features that will supposedly be in the 2.0 release, and nowhere is there mentioned any fix of the PGP handling. I don't pretend to know more than the developers, and I'm sure there may be reasons why they've chosen to leave this feature broken, but if every other OSS Email project can nail it, why can't they?
"See, we plan ahead! That way, we never have to do anything now."
I think the most important feature that is currently missing is the spam filtering. Everyone else has it, why doesn't evolution? Use the code from mozilla if you have to.
wish I had the time to do it myself.
-jj-
After all this time and many releases, there is still no support for notes and memos.
Synchronizing to a PDA will exclude these. This was by far one of the most useful aspects of using Outlook with a PDA (the ability to copy any arbitrary text and load it to a PDA as a memo). I had built large collections of travel directions, software/hardware serial numbers, network IP information, reference data, even Xmas lists using this facility.
I'd rather the Evolution team provide function parity before they spend time glitzing the UI.
Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.
And in my company, where we're *required* to put lunch in our calendar if we're planning on not being at our desks for it, some schmuck will *still* schedule a meeting during that time.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
As usual, Evolution's team is doing it right, including the version numbering. We can all learn by their good example.
FTA:
"note that there are still some bugs migrating data from 1.4.x to 1.5 and that 1.5 stores its information in ~/.evolution rather than ~/evolution/ so that if you add new info in 1.5 in will not show up in 1.4.x."
Version numbers should reflect the features and requirements of the software they describe. When I worked for Apple, we recognized that software compatibility depended on both data formats/protocols and user interfaces. MAJOR.minor.revision(.patch/build) numbers reflected interoperability: Adding features, either to the GUI or functionality, that the user could notice, incremented the MAJOR number. Changing data/protocol formats, in the filesystem, over the network, or otherwise (any I/O, like sensors), incremented the minor number. Revision numbers reflected internal changes interesting only to developers, likewise any patch or build numbers. Forward/backward compatibility becomes just another feature/requirement, a special case of any given version, never to be expected unless explicitly included.
With that simple scheme, we could tell whether a version wouldn't interoperate with other software in a suite, or might require retraining (eg, glance at documentation) to use. Or fixed a bug. With those rules, we defended rational version numbering in favor of users (and developers) - defended from the insane ravages of marketdroids who were locked in a version numbering "arms race" with the competition.
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As other people have pointed out, this is an unstable development release, not a polished final product. I suspect the varied labelling is due to people coding up different components and putting temporary placeholder strings in for now (if the "Component" isn't a give away placeholder string I don't know what is) while they get the features working. I think you'll find a lot of that will be cleaned up for Evolution 2.0
Jedidiah
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zope?
Personally we used eclipse+tomcat+struts. It's been working well so far.
The only reason zope was turned down was because of lack of integrated java support. (Personally I'm not convinced that that is a problem...)
Ok, I'm probably trolling at this point but....
Good.
Anything that forces users to get off POP3 and use something halfway decent (IMAP anyone?) is a good thing in my book.
It beats having to deal with people who get all their email stuck on their laptop and end up loosing all synchronization with the server and their other systems. With IMAP everything stays on the server, you only download the *headers* you want, you get info on what you've replied to and read, you get multiple folders...
Seriously, why is POP even supported anymore? I don't think I've touched a POP server in about 3 years....
So tell your friends to hit that IMAP button instead of POP and lets let POP die already...