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Portable MP3 Hardware Sales Up

prostoalex writes "In December of 2002 only 12% of US music downloaders owned a digital music player, while for this year the number has increased to 17%. Jupiter Research expects the sales of the digital music players to double this year, while another research agency notes a remarkable shift towards paying for music. Even the music industry tends to agree that online music stores are a boon and expects the Web sales to really take off in 2004." (And the sales of Ogg-capable hardware are up, too, since there finally is some.)

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  1. My vote for the best of them... iRiver iHP-120 by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 2, Informative

    It shreds the iPod in every way. Plays WMA and OGG like the iPod doesn't. 20GB drive, records standard like the iPod doesn't, has built in radio as the iPod doesn't, mic input (yes it records standard) true SRS surround sound, USB2.0 like the iPod doesn't, digital and analog audio out, the sexiest case on a portable music player ever, and all for $370.

    go to http://www.outwardsound.com/products.php/7/278/ for a look.

    1. Re:My vote for the best of them... iRiver iHP-120 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      USB2.0 like the iPod doesn't

      FYI, the iPod does come with USB 2.0 via it's dock or a USB 2.0 -> Firewire cable. Look at the bottom of the page.

    2. Re:My vote for the best of them... iRiver iHP-120 by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Informative
      From the Apple website:

      Connectivity FireWire 400 and USB 2.0 through dock connector

      If you are going to rant get the facts right first.

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    3. Re:My vote for the best of them... iRiver iHP-120 by karmaflux · · Score: 2, Informative

      The iPod does USB 2.0.

      The rest of the feature set you list are things that I, and many others, find completely useless. I hate WMA only slightly less than I hate ogg vorbis -- and I bet that true SRS surround sound sounds great through your nine thousand dollar stereo system, but I want something portable.
      Your baby weighs in at 160 grams, sizing out at 60x19x105. This is negligibly different from the iPod -- but the iPod has a bit better feature set.
      The iRiver is, from its name on down, an iPod knockoff. Your opinion is your own, and you're welcome to it, but for some of us, the iPod is exactly what we're looking for: a small, well-rounded mp3 player that doesn't look like a tricorder.

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    4. Re:My vote for the best of them... iRiver iHP-120 by rufo · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it's not. There's no scroll wheel. I have 10GB of music on my iPod - I'd probably sooner commit suicide then trying to scroll all the way down to U2 or something low on the alphabet. (Yes, I realize there's probably a page-down feature. The scroll wheel still beats paging down by a mile.)

      Also, I must admit, the iPod's auto-sync is a killer feature that no other player that I've heard of does. Plug it in, copies music, leave it plugged in until you're ready to go and just grab it and leave. The iRiver player just shows up as a hard drive, and won't even show artist/album/genre info unless you run a special software program.

      Still, it does look fairly cool - if I were in the market for an MP3 player I would have to give it serious thought. One definite downside is that for all the vaunted MP3/WMA/Ogg support, there's no support for Audible.com, which the iPod does (and no other portable HD-based player has). Granted, not everybody wants to use such evil proprietary formats as Audible, but for some people it's kind of a turnoff.

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  2. Re:Ogg capable hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    there are some: VorbisHardware

    Damn Moronic Editors

  3. oops, knew i was missing something! by real_smiff · · Score: 2, Informative

    they could, of course (hopefully before someone else says it!) be making (ordinary red-book audio) CDs from those downloads... no portably mp3 player required, hehe. :)

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  4. It has to be said... by troon · · Score: 3, Informative


    You mean "Vorbis", not "Ogg". As has been pointed out many times, Ogg is the "container", and Vorbis is the audio codec.
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  5. iPods.... by jeffy124 · · Score: 3, Informative

    right now seems like a good chance for me to say thank you to all who provided useful comments and tips in the article posted earlier this week on the lack of discounts available for the Apple iPod.

    alas, I still have not been able to find a decent deal. Many have pointed to apple's refurb'd items store, but it's out of stock on ipods. the best thing I've got right now is that Target will give you a $15 gift card when you buy an ipod.

    my best hope is that some marketer at Apple will see the original post and the responses and perhaps have a change of heart in what seems to be their "no discounting" policy, and how the cheaper prices offered by their competitors might be beating them in the market.

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    1. Re:iPods.... by locker1776 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple Must be doing something right. Go to bestbuy.com and search for iPods. They are all sold out. Why does Apple need to lower the price? If they are selling out, economics says they should raise the price.

  6. iRiver iHP-120 costs too much! by HardCase · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Neuros - Plays WMA, WAV, MP3, OGG. Interchangeable 20 GB drive or 128MB flash. Built in radio. Built in mic. Line in. Records MP3 and WAV. Unsexy, utilitarian case. Open firmware and software. All for $230 (that's $140 less than an iRiver) or $199 for 20GB only (that's $170 less than an iRiver). And the hardware is upgradeable. True, it's USB 1.0, but that hasn't been a big issue for me, once I loaded my OGG collection. Loading an album or two doesn't take very much time at all. USB 2.0 isn't worth $170.


    www.neurosaudio.com

  7. Re:Recording by Radon+Knight · · Score: 3, Informative

    The iPod can record with a Belkin add-on mic. It records right to disk, so you can record hundreds of hours of stuff.

  8. Re:perhaps more surprising - Ach, get a neuros! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I dunno. I have an older car (1995) that only had a tape-deck/radio. Since I have a large collection of music ripped to MP3 format, I was growing more and more dissappointed that I could not listen to my music in my car. I started investigating replacing the in-dash radio with a CD player that would read MP3's. Still, this was an imperfect option for me, cause I would still have to deal with CDs which are a pain in the butt to keep from getting scratched, out of direct sunlight, away from extremes of hot and cold, etc... I had resigned myself to dealing with this, as it was certainly better than nothing...but having burned mp3 cd's in the past, I realized that 700megs of music (+/-) is but a fraction of my collection and at best, an mp3 cd player was but a fractional step in the right direction.

    So, I resigned myself to spending some cash and started researching players. Then I stumbled across this guy, and I got excited. For $229 bucks I could house 20gigs worth of music. It broadcasts audio on the FM dial, so all I had to do was tune my radio station to the Neuros broadcast station and viola, music instantly available. ...it beats the hell outta ripping apart my dash to play mp3 disks.

    What's even better is that at $229 it cost less than most of the in dash mp3/CD players I was looking at. So, I took the plunge...

    Haven't had a complaint yet. Works exactly as advertised. Support folk are excellent, price was great. It's not the sleekest, or sexiest player on the market, but the damn thing is cheap, versatile, and open source. Check it out if you want a solution to playing mp3's in your car. This little thing will let you play 'em anywhere. I'd take one of these over an iPod any day.

    http://www.neurosaudio.com

  9. MP3 Player to car stereo interface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For those who only have a car stereo with a CD and no tape deck or audio inputs. Try this gadget:

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/64fb /

  10. Re:Sound quality a factor? by otprof · · Score: 2, Informative
    I agree with you about the sound-quality issue with lossy codecs. People say that 160 VBR is indistinguishable from the source file. Well, maybe, but like so many things in my life, I can't be bothered by the facts. :-)

    Seriously, I listen to a ton of live recordings (from etree.org), and I need a player that has good support for lossless codecs.

    Hence, when I buy later this month I am getting the Rio Karma, which supports FLAC. Much of the etree-seeded live music is coming in FLAC format these days, so using such a player will give me my crispy tunes on the go, no muss no fuss.

    I haven't seen anything about the iRiver or Neuros supporting FLAC, though that may be in the works.

    Bryan

  11. For the bargain-hunter.... by Trogre · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...the iRiver iMP-400 looks promising

    No uploading required. Just pop in your OGG/MP3 CD and you're away.

    Ogg Vorbis support is in the works (via afirmware update), and can happily co-exist with the other codecs in firmware.

    These guys seem pretty serious about vorbis. It's great to finally see a manufacturer taking this position.

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  12. Re:perhaps more surprising by smilingirl · · Score: 2, Informative
    So, instead you are saying you carry your whole cd collection with you jogging? That would take more than a backsack. You missed the point.

    The point is, mp3 player's can HOLD your entire cd collection in a little box big enough to fit in your pocket. I just recently got mine for an early Christmas present... 20 GB. The only place I still use CD's is in my car. And I wouldn't if my car still had a tape player, because then I would buy an adapter for my mp3 player. But otherwise, I either listen off the computer or mp3 player, because they can hold EVERYTHING. CDs are obsolete in my opinion. Even if I did buy a CD, I just rip it and never take it out the case again. It's a waste.

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