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Australian Pilot Stranded In Antarctica

mirio writes "Australian Jon Johanson is currently stranded in Antarctica at the US McMurdo outpost. He was attempting a flight from New Zealand to Argentina via the South Pole when he encountered a headwind that caused him to burn more fuel and divert to the base. Now both the Americans and the New Zealanders there are refusing to sell him fuel. Jon's story is amazing. He has flown his homebuilt RV-4 around the world three times and to the North Pole. You can read about his trips around the world here."

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  1. Re:They say they want to discourage tourism... by goofballs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and that that's the reason they won't sell him fuel, but damn, that's pretty inhospitable.

    inhospitable? the americans are providing him food and shelter, and the kiwis have offered to fly him out on the first available flight. additionall, they've offered to ship his plane out after him (at his cost). all in all, sounds pretty reasonable! =)

  2. Re:They say they want to discourage tourism... by KrispyKringle · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Americans offered to house him and feed him, and the New Zealanders offered to ship his plane out at his expense. So its not as if he doesn't have options.

    And their justification is not to be mean. It's that he should have made plans to begin with. It's not their job to be someone's backup plan, as they themselves pointed out.

  3. Fuck'm by jaxon6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one who thinks the guy should be grateful to be alive? Hey, how about I go to Antarctica..., woop dee doo, woops, there's a bit of a headwind, wouldn't expect that in .. ANTARCTICA. Well, it's a good thing there's people smarter than me, I'm sure they'll save my ass for me. WHAT! I can't get gas!!! Well, no, I didn't plan ahead to possibly have gas shipped here, I figured I could just stop at an Exxon. I mean, there's Exxon all over Alaska, so why not here?

    Anyways, fuck'm, he deserves the exact treatment they're giving him. And I bet they won't be charging him for the ride back, to boot.

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  4. Re:Standard practice by Wwolmack · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Dennis Miller says it quite well, but in a slightly different subject.

    If you are going "adventuring", at least have a contingency plan.
    I view professional extreme athletes with, at worst, mild puzzlement and, at best, genuine respect. But what pisses me off are the amateur extreme athletes, who don't just risk their own lives -- they make some park ranger, fireman, or cop risk his life to save them. Every time I see a soldier who enlisted so he could defend his country, end up having to put his neck on the line, rappelling off a helicopter to save some middle-aged hero-wannabe jagoff who skied 20 miles off the clearly marked trail just so he can have a better pickup line than, "Hey, baby, your place or my moms?", I can't help but hope that just this one time, the kid from the National Guard is going to change his mind and chopper away to get a well-deserved beer, but not before getting just close enough to shout, "Hey, asshole, Charles Darwin says hi."

    -- Dennis Miller's rant from April 6th, 2001.
  5. Re:They say they want to discourage tourism... by Sunlighter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Discourage tourism? Hell, if I had a plane and knew how to fly it, I'd be tempted to fly down there and bring him some damn fuel. What if I did, and seven or eight other bright pilots got the same idea?

    I can't think of a better way to cause "tourism" than to encourage a good Samaritan act like that...

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  6. Re:Except... by StenD · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Except... ...this guy didn't ram his plane into a remote snowbank or something -- he landed it at a refueling station.
    No, he didn't. He landed at a research station. Unlike your imaginary example, McMurdo Station isn't in the business of selling fuel, and Johanson has no reasonable expectation to be able to purchase fuel there.
  7. Re:They say they want to discourage tourism... by Demolition · · Score: 5, Insightful

    inhospitable? the americans are providing him food and shelter, and the kiwis have offered to fly him out on the first available flight. additionall, they've offered to ship his plane out after him (at his cost). all in all, sounds pretty reasonable!

    This is going to cost Johanson an arm and a leg, regardless of how it all turns out. If the Americans and Kiwis continue to refuse to sell him any fuel, I suspect that he'll have to do one of two things to get his plane out of there:

    1) Take New Zealand's offer to fly out on the next available flight, then pay to have his plane shipped or flown out; or
    2) Charter a ship/plane to bring fuel and/or take him and his plane out

    Shipping anything by air to Antarctica costs in the neighbourhood of six figures (I'm led to believe that private charters are on a per payload basis only). Might as well airlift his whole plane out if he's going to bother having a chartered aircraft come to Antarctica. Shipping by sea would be much cheaper... perhaps as little as $6,000 US (based on what it might cost to charter a ship from an IAATO member to bring fuel in, or as much as $50,000 to charter a ship big enough to take his plane out.

    Maybe this is why Johanson is reluctant to leave his plane behind. He's probably asked himself this question already: "Would it be cheaper to have my plane shipped to Chile, have fuel shipped in from somewhere, or build a new plane once I got home?" (I think that an RV-4 kit would be pushing $15,000 US, but probably much more outfitted like his must be)

    Now it sort of makes sense why he's still holding out hope that the Americans or Kiwis will sell him the fuel he needs to fly his RV-4 back to NZ. Even though 400 litres of fuel would probably cost in the mid four-figure range (due to the enormous transportation costs involved in bringing anything to Antarctica), it's probably a lot cheaper than the alternatives.

    D.


    (ps. I may be talking out of ear here because my cost figures are mostly second-hand... anybody have more concrete figures?)

  8. Bzzzt. Wrong. by devphil · · Score: 5, Insightful
    He HAD a contingency plan.

    One extra gallon per 300 needed? That's not a contingency plan.

    It was "There are bases there with air strips I can land at"

    Except that those bases have repeatedly and publicly stated that THIS IS THE WRONG THING TO BELIEVE. This jerkoff isn't the first amateur half-ass to get stranded in Antartica and expect scientific bases to suddenly bail him out. Even the slightest amount of pre-trip research would have told him that they do not have spare fuel.

    Its the same contigency plan I have every day when I leave for work. I understand that if I am involved in an accident and am incapacitated, that total strangers will actually stop and help.

    The "I've always relied on the kindness of strangers" approach? Nothing personal, pal, but that's fucking stupid. "I don't need to pack the trunk with flares or a spare tire or a jack or a blanket or a gallon of water or some food -- surely within minutes of the breakdown/accident/whatever, some random person will come by and give me all the supplies I need."

    I almost died from exposure less than 20 miles from home (snowstorm, -15 degrees F, freezing rain, and a flat tire), and I live in fucking Ohio, the dullest place on earth. In a major city, too, not the boonies. Fortunately, I had a heavy blanket and a good spare tire in the car. After getting it changed, I drove straight to the hospital to be treated for frostbite. Not another vehicle ever drove by; if I'd waited for a total stranger I'd likely be dead.

    That was Ohio. This dipshit went to Antartica and planned less than I did.

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  9. Re:They say they want to discourage tourism... by VtWebWizard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It may well not be easy to sell him that fuel. It's a scientific outpost, with science's typical shoestring budgets. They have a limited supply of fuel on hand. Between their emergency reserve and research plans, it's probably all spoken for. Getting more fuel into the research base isn't like strolling down to the corner petrol station that gets daily deliveries. There are planned supply shipments and what's on hand may well be all that can be on hand for quite a while.

    So here comes this bloke, trying to fly across the entire place on a whim, and he doesn't make it. Now he wants these scients to scrap some their research plans for the summer (it's summer down there now, prime time research season) after they've fought and scrambled for a place on the Antartic research team. For some it's their one and only shot at doing research in the Antartic.

    Basically he's asking some of these scientists to give up their research dreams to salvage his pet plane. I doubt that makes them feel all warm and giving.

    As they say in Tech Support, "A lack of planning on your part does not constitue an emergency on mine."