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Music Industry Develops Centralized File-Sharing System

pearljam145 writes "A new file-sharing standard designed to distribute copyrighted music and movies legitimately has been developed by a technology consortium. The system could deliver any content format to any computer, and users might even earn rewards points for sharing the files. Using the new standard, computer users could share small files containing information about music, video or other data, but not the content itself. The Content Reference Forum (CRF), founded by Universal Music Group backed by technology companies including Microsoft, is hoping the sharing file standard will be adopted by technology companies and incorporated into software music players."

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  1. The point is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the point of this if I can't actually share the content itself? Why would I want to share a description only?

    1. Re:The point is? by grub · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Why would I want to share a description only?

      That's what I was thinking when I read the article. It's just silly, for example: would anyone even consider sharing book reviews from Amazon? What is the point?

      Of course when music sales drop further the RIAA will blame teh intarweb and not the fact that they sign (mostly) unoriginal, boring musicians.

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  2. Points! by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They want me to host the files that will link to their servers and get them paid! This is nothing more than a distributed bandwidth reduction process. In return you get these imaginary points with no cash value. This isn't file sharing people, this is bandwidth redistribution.

  3. i don't understand the value proposition by Ubergrendle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I basically end up hosting 'links' on my computer that point to a pay-as-you-go service.

    Essentially, I offer spam on my file sharing connection to other users.

    Because each file has meta-information about myself, perhaps I can earn 'bonus points' and get free credit to download the latest Britney Spears single.

    A simpler model of this system would be "we'll pay your for legitimate e-mail addreesses of your friends to whom we can send corporate spam."

    The article is light on details, but as a business model I think this is one of the worst I've read about in months. The value proposition is so low I can't see anyone participating in this.

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  4. clearly out of touch by holy_smoke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    once again, they clearly demonstrate their non-grasp of the file sharing concept, and for this target market's desires and needs.

    *Bzzzt* Sorry, try again please.

    How about a closed P2P network that you pay a monthly fee to access via secure clients, and that network would have actual files that you could download? Nah... too simple. *rolls eyes*

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  5. Piracy in story submission? by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Actually, it wasn't pearjam145 who said it. Allow me to annotate his submission slightly:
    First story paragraph:
    A new file-sharing standard designed to distribute copyrighted music and movies legitimately has been developed by a technology consortium. The system could deliver any content format to any computer, and users might even earn rewards points for sharing the files.

    Third story paragraph:
    Using the new standard, computer users could share small files containing information about music, video or other data, but not the content itself.

    First half of second story paragraph:
    The Content Reference Forum (CRF), founded by Universal Music Group backed by technology companies including Microsoft,...

    Last story paragraph: ...is hoping the sharing file standard will be adopted by technology companies and incorporated into software music players...

    The real story was written by Will Knight of the New Scientist news service, for the record.

    Come on now... Or was this just an amazing use of plagerism to illustrate the point in a story about fair use rights and legal music sharing (note that quoting verbatim half the story without attribution is not fair-use, at least not in the US)?
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  6. Advertisement Sharing by coinreturn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you RTFA, you'll see it's not about content sharing it's about advertising sharing. Users can share information about the content, but not the content itself. This is a non-event.

  7. The benefits of abolishing copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's look for a moment at the benefits of abolishing copyright. We're all familiar with public libraries and how they make information available to everyone. Such libraries currently do not exist on any computer network, except in a very limited way. The main reason: copyright concerns, and the unwillingness of publishers to allow the works they control to become available electronically. This is one of the costs of copyright law.

    Imagine your ultimate stereo system. Don't be bashful - if it's really the ultimate, it should include a music library containing every piece of music ever recorded, and a program which can use your past music preferences to suggest new pieces of music for you to listen to. It would be an incredibly mind-expanding device, and one which is technologically not far off - but the introduction of the personal music library will likely be delayed by a decade or more because of copyright problems.

    Electronic magazines; special interest news programs which are compilations of the most interesting articles from diverse sources; computer program libraries so programmers don't have to reinvent the wheel; information devices such as an encyclopedia you can wear as a pair of earrings - all of these things would be made much easier and less expensive by the elimination of copyright.

    If we abolish copyright, it will be much harder for authors and performing artists to get paid. Absolutely true. Some will say this is a fatal objection. I disagree strongly.

    Sometimes changes in technology lead to changes in the economy. The invention of the steam shovel put a lot of ditch-diggers out of work. And the advent of the information age is going to make it impossible for authors to retain strict control over the distribution of their work. Should we then pass laws to try to allow authors to regain that control? Absolutely not. If the authors find life more difficult in the information age, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

    As it turns out, though, the information age contains more benefit than harm for authors. The process of getting published becomes as easy as pressing the 'return' key, and anyone can participate. The result will be to make the authorship process much less elitist.

    'How can we arrange for authors and artists to get paid? I think we're up to it'
    We still have a challenge: how can we arrange for authors and artists to get paid? I agree that it's a challenge, but I think we're up to it. They could:

    - get grants;
    - hold an academic position where reputation counts;
    - give live performances;
    - market their recordings themselves;
    - publish 'shareware';
    - produce a new work and charge a publisher a moderate up-front fee for being the first on the market with the work;
    - embed advertising in their work and distribute it widely for free.

    We can also design alternative institutions to support artists - for instance:

    - A 'book of the month club' which pays artists to contribute their work. True, without copyright you can't arrest freeloaders, but if the service is worth a lot and only costs a little, people will join it.
    - People are willing to pay a little money to feel good. An on-line entertainment service which pays authors a small royalty and brags about it may be more profitable than one which doesn't.
    'The maintenance of copyright laws is just a finger in the dike'
    But even if it becomes harder for authors to make money (and I'm not convinced that will be the case), the benefits to information consumers far outweigh the costs. And really, there's no other choice. The maintenance of copyright laws is just a finger in the dike. People familiar with computer technology understand that, in the computer world, "bits are bits." A piece of music, a book, a picture, a computer program - they're all just information, and the only technological way to prevent my copying any of them is to outlaw computers altogether.
    1. Re:The benefits of abolishing copyright by nathan+s · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You say "making and distributing movies, music and books isn't cheap." Sure, making them isn't cheap [but we might ask ourselves whether this is because it REALLY isn't cheap to make them, or if there are hidden costs to other middlemen making the production process vastly inflated in terms of price], but obviously the whole point of this debate is that with the internet, distribution HAS become cheap. _Very_ cheap. This is largely what the entertainment industry is fighting - the loss of monopoly over distribution. Think of it this way - it's no longer impossible to get content out to the consumer, so why not spend more money on the production side, funding arts and artists, rather than trying to maintain an outmoded content distribution system?

      Just my thoughts on the matter. For what it's worth, it's not expensive to write a book; I'm in the process of doing it and the main cost is mental agony over writing the first few lines every time I sit down again to continue.;-)

  8. They just dont get it do they by cpn2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Music labels need to understand that the only way for them to discourage file (copyrighted music) sharing in a meaningful way is to offer people better, legitimate alternatives, not some half assed gimmick like this.

    Apple has demonstrated that when you give people the choice to buy music in the form they want, and at a reasonable way, people will buy. There are no gimmicks in their offering, and you simply pay for what you want.

    Today, when I walk into a record store and look at the prices of CDs, I usually end up not buying anything at all, not because I cannot afford them, but because I do not think I am getting value for my money. 18 dollar CDs with 2 or 3 songs that I really want, is not a good deal in my book.

    I wonder if they'll ever figure it out ... sigh

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  9. Re:drm? by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    drm? why?

    this is not content they are talking about putting on this sharing network. it is advertising - don't get the two confused!

    the last ten years have seen the entertainment industry working very hard to blur the line between content and ads. people regard movie trailers as content, some in the movie industry are starting to regard the movies themselves as advertising (for merchandise like action figures and lunch boxes, which is where the big money is).

  10. Mundane Musings by KaiserZoze_860 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can safely say that regardless of price (including free)or method of delivery, I'm not buying anything from Brittney Spears, 50 cent, Creed, or whatever "superstar" they have this week. Its not my music. And that is the fundamental flaw in their piracy argument: They are assuming that if it wasn't for file sharing I'd be buying this crap. Personally I stopped buying CDs in any real quantity in the mid-nineties - well before napster. I'm not going to start again anytime soon. Its still not my music.

    iTunes and Napster 2.0 aside, I can understand why it's so difficult for the record industry to develop a truly unique offering that we would be willing to pay for: We can't even think of one and we are the target audience. There are still compromises in those services which we would love to do without (like proprietary file formats) and the selection needs to be significantly larger.

    Perhaps, instead of trying to build a new service using existing content, we should build a new service for musicians and writers where they can post new works not belonging to a publisher and get paid by a subscription fee. If the content was worthy, people would pay. Eventually, it could become the method of choice for emerging artists, thus cutting off the record industry's supply. Or we can just keep downloading illegally...

    --KS--

    A musician friend of mine once summed it up as "All the record industry is good for now is creating rock stars. And who needs more rock stars?"

  11. Re:The actual specification... by Alsee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know if they realized the god connection, but they certainly do see themselves in a superior position handing content "down" to us mere consumers.

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  12. In other words, free advertising by serutan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Essentially this is merely a new way to distribute banner ads, with possible discount points for spamming your friends. The freely downloadable files are merely promos with BUY buttons.
    Strangely, the article does not mention at all that the content itself will be pay downloads. Who wrote this, the RIAA? Not that it's wrong to pay for something, but the article makes it sound like the industry is giving something away, which they definitely aren't.