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Toshiba Develops 0.85'' Hard Disk

onebuttonmouse writes "Toshiba have set a new record for the world's smallest hard disk at a tiny 0.85". Surely this will have some great applications in mobile devices, although the article does not mention power consumption. It'd be great if this made it into the iPod like the 1.5" Toshiba drive that resides in the current models."

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  1. 1 gigabyte flash by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wonder how this will compete with Samsung's new one gigabyte (8 GBit) flash. With a storage capacity of only 2-3 GB, this drive is only 2 or 3 of these flash chips, so competing on size would be hard. Hopefully it's much cheaper.

    1. Re:1 gigabyte flash by randyest · · Score: 3, Informative

      The company expects each drive to cost around 30,000 yen initially, but projects that mass production will push down the price to less than 10,000 yen within a few years.

      Yen30,000 is about 278.497 USD, Yen10,000 is about 92.8326 USD

      How much is that 1GB flash?

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    2. Re:1 gigabyte flash by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think concerns about flash memory wearing out are usually overblown. I see flash cards advertised as having a minimum lifetime of 1,000,000 rewrite cycles. Suppose you formatted the card as ext3. Even if you wrote to the card once every minute around the clock, and it wrote to the same sectors each time, it would take more than two years to get up to a million writes. And who writes to their flash card every minute? Maybe you wouldn't want to use it as your permanent home directory for a knoppix install you used every day, but for any other use, I'd say that it's unlikely you'll get up to 1,000,000 writes anytime soon.

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    3. Re:1 gigabyte flash by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are several linux filesystems suitable for embedded work, and they are designed for flash-card environments. There's cramfs which is a read-only compressed filesystem so you can cram as much stuff as possible into limited Flash space (to upgrade you just re-flash the entire filesystem with a new cramfs disk image, good for simple devices that can be upgraded with new ROMs). There's ramdisks or RAMFS to complement cramfs and make a usable Linux system where nothing at all is ever written to Flash. There's also JFFS which is a journaled filesystem made explicitly for Flash devices, which does try to adapt to Flash's weaknesses. It is used on iPAQs and other handhelds as the main filesystem.

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  2. 0.85inch drives in iPods? by joekra · · Score: 3, Informative
    These drives are not to be introduced until 2005... so will not find their way into iPods anytime soon...

    that being said, there are circulating rumors of Smaller/Cheaper iPods.

  3. Re:Usage by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's already available, at least for more expensive cameras. You can get an IBM microdrive in a Compact Flash Type II form factor, which is a bit thicker but otherwise dimensionally compatible with the regular Compact Flash cards. Less expensive cameras aren't designed to accept both Type I and Type II, but many of the high-end ones- including all of the Digital SLRs, AFAIK- are. The extra capacity is obviously really useful when dealing with a 6+ megapixel camera that may want to save pictures in raw (i.e. not compressed) format. The availablility of hard drive storage is one of the key things that keeps Compact Flash relevant; it's bigger and clunkier than other card types, but at the very high end it can hold way more than any of the others.

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  4. Re:The thing I find interesting about this... by DrInequality · · Score: 3, Informative
    You can be certain that this tiny little drive will have negligable gyroscopic effects.

    The angular momentum is (for a point)
    L = M x R^2 x omega

    So scales as the square of the disk radius. The radius of a standard 3.5" disk is probably about 1.7", the radius of this new disk is 0.425". The small disk will therefore have about 5% of the momentum of the larger disk (assuming all else is equal).

    Also, all else is not equal: the minature disk will spin slower for sure. 5400RPM or less.

  5. Re:Why the iPod? Seriously by BitchKapoor · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Rio Karma plays MP3, WMA, Ogg and FLAC, but it includes a 20GB hard drive. It also has an ethernet port in its docking station.

  6. Re:The thing I find interesting about this... by dhovis · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well,

    Remember that area goes as the square of the diamater, so this new hard drive is only 72% of the area of a 1 inch drive. They don't mention the thickness, but if it is thinner than the 1 inch drives, then there is better than 30% savings on volume. That is nothing to sneeze at.

    As long as my phone has a vibrate mode, I don't think I want a hard disk in it...
    One thing to remember is that the smaller the radius of the hard disk platter, the less sensitive it will be to vibrations anyway. That is why iPods are relatively robust (that and good caching, so the hard drive is rarely moving anyway).
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  7. Creative, Rio, RCA Already Using 1" 1.5GB Drives by meehawl · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why wait for Apple? Creative, Rio, and RCA are already using 1" 1.5GB Cornice drives in some tiny mp3 players that make the iPod seem oversized. Cornice says they will have a 5GB model around the middle of 2004...

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  8. Picture here by News+for+nerds · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the picture and report(Japanese).
    The small picture posted in the article will be more real-size for most people.

  9. Re:Poor man's computer by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Informative

    Heh. haha. and heh again!

    I think you're confusing China and India with more affluent Asian nations. Yes, darn near everyone in Japan has a cell phone. But in China or India? What the hell are you thinking, man! Plenty of those people don't have electricity at all, let alone a really expensive cell-phone with a really expensive tiny hard drive.

    How cheap do you think these tiny drives will be? The same HD space in a bigger drive (esp if second hand) is a fraction of the cost. Seems to me that older technology would be for the "poor man's computer," rather than the newest and most expensive stuff.

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