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More E-Voting SNAFUs

tassii writes "Looks like Diebold is in yet more trouble. In this article from Wired.com, an audit of the Diebold E-Voting machines revealed that the company installed uncertified software in all 17 counties that use its electronic voting equipment. While 14 counties used software that had been qualified by federal authorities but not certified by state authorities, three counties, including Los Angeles, used software that had never been certified by the state or qualified by federal authorities for use in any election. And in this article, Wired.com is reporting that at least five convicted felons secured management positions at a Diebold, including one who served time in a Washington state correctional facility for stealing money and tampering with computer files in a scheme that 'involved a high degree of sophistication and planning.'"

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  1. Open the damn source. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    from the article: "The core of our American democracy is the right to vote," Shelley said. "Implicit in that right is the notion that that vote be private, that vote be secure, and that vote be counted as it was intended when it was cast by the voter."

    In my thinking this should mean the source code should be opened to the public to ensure continued trust in the system. "Trust us, we're the government" doesn't carry any weight these days.

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    1. Re:Open the damn source. by k12linux · · Score: 4, Insightful
      this should mean the source code should be opened to the public

      My thinking is that if the security can't withstand public scrutiny then it shouldn't be in use anyhow. Even if the source is secure, open disclosure is still needed. Without it, supporters of the losing side are always going to claim there was cheating or that the election was rigged... without public proof to the contrary.

      Open sourcing of the code is needed for public confidense if nothing else.

    2. Re:Open the damn source. by salesgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Trust us, we're the government" doesn't carry any weight these days.

      Acually, it never did and it never will. In the case of democracy, the people must NEVER give in to government for voting systems that are not accountable, accurate and reliable. Diebold's #@$@ machines are none of the above.

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    3. Re:Open the damn source. by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In my thinking this should mean the source code should be opened to the public to ensure continued trust in the system.


      Looking at the source code would be interesting, but it shouldn't give you any confidence in the system. Even in the (practically unattainable) ideal case, where the code is thoroughly analyzed by all the experts and they all agree the code is correct... there is still no proof that the code everybody looked at is the code that will actually be running on the voting machines. Even if you stand over the Diebold employees and watch them compile the source code and install the resulting binary on the machine, you still don't know if that code is what will be running on the machine during the election.


      The point is, having access to the (alleged) source code is no guarantee of accuracy. The only reliable guarantee of accuracy is having the system print out a paper receipt that the voter hand-verifies and turns in at the poll. Once you have that, the vote can be recounted by hand, if necessary, and any inaccuracies will be detected. Without that, no electronic system will ever be trustworthy.

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    4. Re:Open the damn source. by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The source code should be open for another reason.

      Auditors couldn't examine eight machines in various counties because they failed to boot up when turned on. Another 12 machines were in the Diebold plant in McKinney, Texas, being repaired.

      Make them 'broke' so they can't be audited.
      Ship them out of state so they can't be audited.

      A great method to cover up a fixed election.

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    5. Re:Open the damn source. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The lowtech solution is often the better one. Rather than ask how we can make the process more high-tech, we should ask how we can improve it, whether or not it is hightech

  2. No thanks by jbardell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes the most advanced and easiest way of doing something isn't the best. I'll take pen+paper sign-in and handle-pull voting machines, thank you very much.

  3. Why is it.... by instantkarma1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That we hear about this from Wired, as opposed to CNN? MSNBC? New York Times? Washington Post? Fox News? (well, the last is a rheotical question).

    My point is, what does it take for the mainstream press to pick up on this?!?!?!?

  4. Why convicted felons are interested in Thiefold by TheMidget · · Score: 4, Insightful
    IMHO, they are far more interested in the cash machine (ATM) business of Thiefold than in their voting machines.

    Planting cash machine weaknesses (or more likely: profiting from accidental weakness which they get to know about) allows them to obtain quicker and more anonymous rewards than tampering with elections would.

    An obviously fake high-stakes election might lead to a thorough investigation, which might not only land the politician that profitted from it in hot water, but also his minions at Thiefold.

    However, nobody would make as much fuss about cash machines that occasionnally spit out too much if the right cheat-code is punched.

  5. Why isn't this on the cover of Newsweek? by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's good that this is being reported on Wired, but now that the situation has escalated to a company actually clearly violating federal election laws (uncertified software), employing former felons in information sensitive positions, and meeting each and every one of the tests to show method, motive and opportunity to commit election fraud, why isn't this making the front page of the NY Times and Post the same day? Why isn't CNN already reporting on this? Where's USA today? Where's Peter Jennings?

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  6. "Power Assist" voting by nehril · · Score: 5, Insightful

    exactly. A car may have power-assisted brakes and steering, but the power systems are not required to be operational. they are nice to have and make life easier, but if they cut out you can rely on your own muscle to continue functioning in an emergency.

    So sure, go to electronic voting for fast initial tallies, clearer voter instructions etc, but definitely have your human-readable paper ballots as backups and for spot-checks.

    the stakes are so high in certain elections that fraud attempts are already commonplace and guaranteed.

  7. Re:solving a non-problem by Liselle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, THAT'S not even a problem. Voter apathy isn't necessarily a bad thing: it can be a sign that people are content, and don't feel the need to change the status quo. Compelling people to vote, either by law or by fine, takes a little bit away from your freedom of choice. Making it easier for people to vote is fine, but not for the sake of shaking the tree to get more voters out of it.

    I see polititians getting on TV/radio and talking day-of election registration (hello kneee-jerk elections), or making Election Day a national holiday, etc... I think these people, like the folks behind e-voting, are trying to fix something that's not a problem to begin with.

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  8. This is only at Wired ... by morelife · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's interesting and disappointing to note how these stories are not picked up by the mainstream media.

    Or at least, not yet.

    All it's going to take is enough public sentiment against Diebold to change this situation... and this can only happen if msnbc, cbsnews, washpost, foxnews, latimes, et al pick this up.

    I wonder what they're doing in the cash machine world that hasn't yet come to light?

  9. Re:solving a non-problem by stewball · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, if you look at who wants more registration and who wants to make Election Day a national holiday (or, hell, moving it to a weekend day), it's pretty clear that the left wants more participation and easier voting, and the right wants more restrictions on registration and harder voting.

    The reasons are pretty straightforward -- people who are well off and have high-end salaried jobs are more likely to be able to get past registration barriers and to take time off from their weekday jobs (which are salaried, not hourly) to vote. By comparison, the less well-off are typically less educated and less likely to be able to take time to vote without a financial hit.

    Now, the interesting thing about all of this analysis is that it's kind of backwards, because, IIRC, the more education and (to a point) income someone has, the less likely they are to vote conservative, and vice versa. There's a distinct lack of class consciousness in America, probably because the right has been really good at playing to the emotions and non-economic beliefs of the lower economic classes, while really pursuing agendas destructive of their actual economic interests.
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  10. Diebold: Elections and ATMs by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Clearly, Diebold's actions through this debacle has been criminal, not negligent. According to previous stories and Diebold's own email they've knowingly installed uncertified software, faked demos, installed machines with thousands of negative votes for one candidate, and have repeatedly deceived election officials and investigators. One feels that this reflects Diebold's corporate culture after browsing through an archive of their email.

    I can't fault them for folks already in place at Global Election Systems (GES) when they acquired the company at the beginning of 2002. Nor do I believe that folks with a criminal history should be barred from IT careers. Someone with expertise in large scale fraud could be very helpful, if not invaluable, in finding exploits in systems you're trying to secure.

    However, a development and management staff comprised of numerous folks with experience in stock fraud, money laundering, smuggling, cracking and grand larceny certainly calls into question the legitimacy of the projects they've worked on. The Diebold spokesdrone said that a few of them left at the time of acquisition, but did not say if any remained working at Diebold.

    My own opinion is that Diebold itself is a criminal enterprise whose thin facade of trustworthiness has been torn down to expose the company's true character.

    This calls into question not only Diebold's election systems, but all of their products including their ubiquitous ATM machines. Who knows how many of those have been cracked or if there's an ongoing fraudulent scheme (beyond ATM withdrawl fees) by Diebold to defraud Joe and Jane Citizen of their hard-earned cash.

    Based on Diebold's behaviour, I don't think that that sounds terribly crazy.