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MySQL & Open Source Code Quality

dozek writes "Perhaps another rung for the Open Source model of software development, eWeek reports that an independent study of the MySQL source code found it to be "in fact six times better than that of comparable commercial, proprietary code." You can read the eWeek write-up or the actual research paper (reg. required)."

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  1. Six times better? by pyite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Six times better? I didn't know it was possible to quantify code quality in that matter. Interesting.

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  2. Just wait... by cableshaft · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...until I release my MySQL source code to the open source community. Then that 6x multiplier will drop down to 2x.

    Yeah, it's really that bad. Gets the job done, though. Hell to maintain. Probably would've helped if I documented any of it.

    Maybe I should read that Code Complete book I keep meaning to read sometime.

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  3. Don't rest on your laurels. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Perhaps another rung for the Open Source model of software development

    Uhh... no.

    It's is a glowing report for this particular open source project but that brush shouldn't be used to paint all open source. That will just lull open source developers into a false sense of euphoric contentment. Code quality didn't get this far by having a fixed target, that target should be a carrot on a stick that will never quite be reached.

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  4. Measurements by Stiletto · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Undoubtedly()
    {
    when();
    you = measure(quality);
    in.defects();
    per->lines_of(code, anyone);
    can = write(good, solid, code);
    }

    1. Re:Measurements by Walterk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Post:2: warning: return-type defaults to `int'
      Post:2: In function `Undoubtedly':
      Post:3: warning: implicit declaration of function `when'
      Post:4: `you' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:4: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
      Post:4: for each function it appears in.)
      Post:4: warning: implicit declaration of function `measure'
      Post:4: `quality' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:5: `in' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:6: `per' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:6: `code' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:6: `anyone' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:7: `can' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:7: warning: implicit declaration of function `write' Post:7: `good' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:7: `solid' undeclared (first use in this function)
      Post:8: warning: control reaches end of non-void function

  5. If you would RTFA... by Theatetus · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...they quantified it by dividing verified defects by lines of code. MySQL had 0.09 bugs/KLOC while the "commercial" defect density was 0.53 bugs/KLOC. (Their use of the term "commercial" confused me since MySQL is, after all, a "commercial" project, just an open-source one.)

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    1. Re:If you would RTFA... by pyite · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Defect" is also a difficult term to define. Some errors are much worse than others. It's not all about numbers, folks. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that MySQL isn't a great product. I just get skeptical when I hear things talked about in terms of "better" and "best."

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    2. Re:If you would RTFA... by SonicBurst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only is it hard to define defect (and it is very obvious that some defects are worse than others), but this code review sounds like it only spots "grammatical" or style errors in the code. It doesn't sound like it could find a defect in an algorithm implementation or logic. To me, these are where the true defects are, in the logic/reasoning breakdowns.

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    3. Re:If you would RTFA... by B'Trey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure what you mean by "grammatical" or style errors. If you're talking about syntax errors, those should prevent the code from compiling. I'm not aware of how coding style can be an error (unless you're programming in Python).

      The specific errors in MySQL were dereferencing null pointers, failure to deallocate memory (memory leaks), and use an uninitialized variable. These aren't the only bugs that such an analysis can find; they're the ones that were found in MySQL. And they're definitely errors in logic.

      Certainly, there are bugs that such an analysis can't find. If you define PI as 3.15, your calculations are going to be off. If you create a function to determine the circumference of a circle as 2 * PI * Diameter, you've got a bug. I suspect that those are the types of errors in logic that you were referring to, and you're right that they will not be caught by a code analysis. However, that doesn't mean that comparing the frequence of the errors that CAN be caught between two programs is an invalid act. From my experience, programmers who make fewer of the former errors also make fewer of the latter. Analyzing catchable errors is a good metric for the frequency of errors in a given source tree, even if all errors aren't caught.

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    4. Re:If you would RTFA... by Tassach · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No defects != good software.

      A flawless implementation of a crap algorithm is still crap. I don't care if your bubble-sort routine has no memory leaks or buffer overruns; it still scales O(N^2). Likewise, a so-called "database" which does not implement key features like transactions and stored procedures is fundamentally flawed even if there are zero coding errors.

      MySQL may be well-written, but it's still a piece of crap by the standards of any professional DBA.

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    5. Re:If you would RTFA... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Interesting
      they quantified it by dividing verified defects by lines of code.

      Problem with that is that it assumes the same "code density". Granted, it's probably not going to differ by a factor of six, but remember the old question about programmer productivity:
      who's more productive: the coder who solves a given problem with 100 lines of code written in one hour, or the coder who solves it with 10 lines in two hours?

      I mean, simple stuff like doing this:

      bool function(int i);
      main(void)
      {
      int i;
      if(function(++i))
      //blah blah blah
      }
      ...instead of:
      bool function(int i);
      main(void)
      {
      int i;
      bool foo;
      foo = false;
      i++;
      foo = function(i);
      if(foo)
      //blah blah blah

      }

      ...will give you a threefold difference in line count (specifically counting lines in the main() function). Throw in an identical line using malloc in each, both forgetting to free it later, and you've got a "bug density" of .33 for the former, and .14 for the latter. Heck, you could have two un-freed malloc's in the latter an it'd still only be at .25! I'm not saying the study is wrong-- I'd rather have the code out where I can see it, no matter WHAT the "bug density"-- I'm just saying that I wouldn't take any statistic that is derived using "lines of code" as a variable as a serious, hard number.
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  6. Debatable scale by Basje · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I do believe that Open Source is better than proprietory. Faults per 1000 lines of code may seem like a valid scale, but I think it is indicatory at best, not proof.

    * It does not take into account the design of the software. This is often as important as the actual quality of the code.
    * It does not take into account the kind of errors. This is related to the first, but a buffer overflow that allows root access is worse than a failed instruction.
    * It does not even take the length of lines into account. Shortening the lines could lower the number, without actually changing anything.

    So, small victory, but the race goes on.

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  7. 6 times better? by kjba · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't see how you can make the statement that MySQL is 6 times better than the proprietary code from the facts that the defect densities are 0.09 and 0.54 per 1000 lines respectively.

    This just looks like some quasi-scientific statement, trying to express things as a number that really don't fit such a representation. For example, as the number of defects decreases, it becomes increasingly more difficult to find the ones that are left. And is code that contains no bugs at all infinitely much better than code that contains a single bug which hardly ever occurs?

  8. As John Carmack put it... by rafael_es_son · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main difference between open and *MOST* closed code is the fact that the early release of closed code means mucho mas money to corporate pigs and dogs, thus, proper requirements analysis, design, coding and testing are usually pummeled in the name of happy-go-lucky capitalism. "It will be ready when it is ready." -Carmack "I love America!" -Murphy

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  9. Re:New unit ? by pragma_x · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since we're measuring Defects per 1000 lines, perhaps calling them "Gates" or "Ballmers" might be more appropriate.

  10. Re:Duh! by I8TheWorm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've used mySQL, Oracle, MS SQL, DB2, and MSDE. I'm not sure I get your comment about MS SQL server. Like any other RDBMS, a little performance tuning goes a long way. As a matter of fact, until Oracle's release of 10g, MS SQL beat all commercial offerings in the TPC benchmarks.

    MS has a buggy os and an awful model for business practice, but I think MS SQL server is a fairly nice offering. It's too bad it only runs on Windows servers though.

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  11. Re:Duh! by James+Thompson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Need a particular reason? Take your pick. http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html

  12. Re:Duh! by pyite · · Score: 5, Informative

    Up until recently, MySQL had no transaction or atomic operation support. As such, you need to write application code to trap problems. Whereas with Oracle, when you run an atomic operation, you know without certainty whether the query failed in its entirety. I also believe stored procedure support is somewhat lacking in MySQL (however, there is that new Java function support). The MySQL 3 tree does not enforce constraints which is something most essential for data integrity. MySQL does not have subrow locking, whereas enterprise databases do. Once again, MySQL is great. I use it. However, it is not enterprise.

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  13. Re:Slashdot is a bad commercial for MySQL. by pegr · · Score: 5, Funny

    "but the Slashdot database regularly becomes confused, such as posting a comment to the wrong story"

    That's not the db... around here, we call them "trolls"...

    ;)

  14. FUD by Kenneth+Stephen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is proof positive that the marketing engine has started churning in the Linux / Open Source arena. The quoted statistics are meaningless. Here are is a short list of things (in no particular order) that are wrong with this "study" (who paid for it anyway?):

    Lines of code is meaningless as a reliable measure of anything. The most this number can be used for is for assessing the high level complexity (i.e. simple, non-trivial, or hard) of an application / code construct. It is absolutely pointless to compare two different applications against each other by lines of code. This means that you can say that one is non-trivial and the other is complex or you can say that both are complex, but there is no valid way of determining (by using this particular metric) that one application is more complex than the other. I believe this is the fundamental flaw in this "study".

    The study igores capabilities. If application A has feature a, b, and c, and application B has features a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h , is it even meaningful to compare the number of defects detected between applications A and B? And no - normalizing it by lines of code is not valid (see previous point).

    Testing methodology : from the defects quoted in the article, it appears as if they "study" did white box testing on MySQL. This is hardly complete. While null pointer dereferences are certainly terrible, I would be also very very concerned about bugs pertaining to SQL capabilites, data integrity, performance, etc. If I go out and do a comparison of RDBMS's for a client, my report wouldnt be complete at all without covering these areas. How come the "study" doesnt mention any of these things?

    Lets face it : this is a paid propaganda article by the marketing machinery. Much like Microsoft has done in the past.

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  15. Kinds of errors -- it's Reasoning, Inc. again by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Not only is it hard to define defect (and it is very obvious that some defects are worse than others), but this code review sounds like it only spots "grammatical" or style errors in the code.

    It does indeed sound a bit like that, and with good reason. If you notice, the "indepedent review" was carried out by Reasoning, Inc., and we've heard of them before in these parts.

    For the benefit of those who haven't seen this trollfest^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstory in its previous incarnations, Reasoning's services spot what some people call "systematic" errors, things like NULL pointer dereferencing or the use of uninitialised variables. As many people note every time this subject comes up, any smart development team will use a tool like Lint to check their code anyway, as a required step before check-in and/or as a regular, automated check of the entire codebase, and so any smart development team should find all such errors immediately. IOWs, it's grossly unfair to compare open and closed source "code quality" on this basis. Any project that has errors like this in it at all isn't serious about quality, and it shouldn't take an external study to point this out.

    Serious code quality is not dictated by how many mechanical errors there are that slip through because of weaknesses in the implementation language. Rather, it is indicated by how many "genuine" logic errors -- cases where the output differs unintentionally from the specifications -- there are. Of course, no automated process can identify those, but to get a meaningful comparison of code quality, you'd need to investigate that aspect, rather than kindergarten mistakes.

    There are other objections to their principal metric as well. For starters, source code layout is not normally significant in C, C++ or Java, so any metric based on line count is going to be flawed at best. But the big objection is that they're talking about childish mistakes, and comparing supposedly world class software based on childish mistakes isn't helpful (except to dispel the myth that some big name products have sensible development processes).

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