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Microsoft FAT Licensing Plan - No Big Deal?

prostoalex writes "InternetNews.com describes the reaction to Microsoft's decision on FAT licensing. It doesn't look like the company is expecting to make any significant money out of licenses (there's also a cap of $250K, so none of the big guys will have to pay millions to Microsoft). It also doesn't look like Linux companies are stressed over this decision. "We are only accessing FAT32 file systems, not using them. This licensing program is of little interest to SuSE", a Novell/SuSE spokesperson said."

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  1. ...Patent Issue by Ieshan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The point has to be securing the patent. If they charge people to license something, they're establishing the fact that they do "own" this technology.

    1. Re:...Patent Issue by cduffy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why?

      They already own the patent -- the PTO granted it to them, and patents (unlike trademarks) don't need to be defended in order to maintain their ownership.

  2. This isn't about patents... by cperciva · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't about making money, and it isn't about protecting a patent. This is simply an exercise for the benefit of the courts: Microsoft will be holding FAT (along with lots of other things) up as examples of how they're making their standards available to the competition.

    1. Re:This isn't about patents... by Apreche · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is exactly right.

      Slashdot says: They're making us pay money to use FAT!

      Microsoft says: We own FAT. We are the only ones who are allowed to use it. We will now let everyone use it for a fee, thus allowing others to use our things. So we're more open than we used to be.

      The day after /. posted the first story crying about how MS was going to charge for fat I saw a nes article about how MS was becoming more open and letting loose fat for everyone to use.

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  3. More likely by nelomolen · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It seems more likely that Microsoft is hoping this will bring 'complete' adoption of NTFS and WinFS, not that they were ever looking to make gobs of money from the licensing in the first place.

    What are the current costs associated with licensing NTFS? Any information regarding the cost of licensing WinFS when Longhorn strikes?

    1. Re:More likely by nelomolen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default. asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/pro ddocs/standard/ntfs_compared_to_fat_and_fat32.asp

      minimum volume size for NTFS is 10MB.

      and if you're using a RO volume, why bother using FAT/FAT32? FAT/FAT32 are being used for consumer devices in which people *need* write access (MP3 players, eBooks, USB keychain storage devices, etc).

      sure, there is a very limited market in which people are using FAT/FAT32 for embedded devices... but if they are using FAT/FAT32, the environment is likely WinCE, in which case licensing is covered.

      i stand by my theory that Microsoft is hoping this will speed adoption of another filesystem. NTFS isn't farfetched, especially with the move towards DRM.

  4. i'm not sure of the patent details... by rebelcool · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they got a patent when they created FAT, it would be near the end of its life (FAT32 might have a few years to go). But other FAT implementations have been around since before the patent was applied for OR microsoft has simply ignored them. If you don't defend your patent with due diligance, (say, wait 15 years to sue someone) you can run into legal difficulties.

    And since FAT implementations are nearly ubiquitous today, trying to sue them all would be an exercise in wasting time and the patent would expire before you've even begun litigation.

    It seems pretty pointless to try and enforce the patent at this point. The article addresses this to an extent in m-soft's IP policy ideals...

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  5. Re:First Post by Bartab · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FAT is positively not good for flash drives because these systems will begin to fail have a set number of writes to a specific area of the memory.

    FAT has no methodology for spreading writes around the system, in fact it will write to the logical begining of the filespace most frequently, with the number of writes dropping as you travel further into the system. This leads to a flash drive to premature failure, thousands of writes to the begining of the disk (like say, the FAT table) making the entire memory space unusable (for FAT, anyways) while the end has been largely untouched.

    Other, GPLed systems are much better for flash, such as JFFS. The only reason to use FAT is if you're interfacing with a windows box and are too lazy to provide translation.

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  6. Re:This isn't about patents... ITS ABOUT LAWSUITS by Dunkelzahn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They could always centralize kernel development in another country where the FAT patents are not recognized by law.

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  7. Re:...I Spoke to them by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you prefer, look at it this way - perhaps MS realise how much of a mess they've made of implementing certain things in the past, and so recognise that if they can mess it up, so can anyone else. That may be part of the reason why - acknowledging that they're nothing special when it comes to writing software.

    Hell, recently there was a problem with LG not implementing the "cache flush" instruction on some of their CD drives, instead using it for "update firmware". That's a monumentally stupid thing to do when implementing an accepted standard. Given that that happened, don't you think it possible that some large manufacturer could mess up their FAT implementation?

  8. Re:Lets clear away some myths and FUD by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also, aren't there other LFN-enabled filesystems that could be used (and read/written to by various interpretive utils, if it needs to interact with a VFAT system) if one declines to pay their license fee? Which itself struck me as reasonable in terms of business expenses, especially with the cap. If you're selling a few million flash memory cards, and *everyone* making such cards has to add the same few cents apiece in extra cost for the license, well, that's not going to impact anyone's competitiveness even in today's tight-margined market.

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  9. That would be JFFS by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may go the other way: use the ext2 or anything best suited to flash and supply the opensource Windows driver for it.

    The Free file system best suited to write-few-read-many memory would probably be JFFS, but Google doesn't know about any efforts to implement a generic JFFS driver on Windows.