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Piezoelectric Transformers

behoward writes "Tired of those big honking power adapters needed for all your portable toys? Me too! So far the best solution I've seen is the AC adapter for my G4 Powerbook, a sleek combo yoyo/flying saucer; but while it looks good on the desktop, it still makes too big of a bulge in my case when I travel. Now engineers at Penn State are working on a real solution. Hope Apple gets this technology in place in time for the G5 Powerbook."

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  1. ultrasonic by spoonist · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Piezoelectric power adapters operate in the ultrasonic range so humans cannot hear any sound produced..."

    That's nice and all, but what about our pets (cats, dogs, etc)? Are they going to be driven nuts by a high pitched whine?

    1. Re:ultrasonic by gregorious · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm, a power supply that repels flying insects. Or, attracts 'em.

      With other piezo devices I sometimes hear an irritating mosquito-like whine. I've wondered if this is due to interaction with casing, or resonance with other components. Two piezo components could set up beat frequencies. Gaaah. Jbecause we can't hear its dominant frequency doesn't mean a sound-generating device is Goodness on a Bun.

  2. Different adapters for 110 and 220V? by rduke15 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article mentions plans to develop 220V. versions. That seems to imply they cannot make adapters taking any voltage between 90 and 240 volts, like the current notebook adapters.

    In other words, it would be a big step backwards if you need to carry around two adapters with your notebook!

    Or can these be made universal like the current standard adapters?

    1. Re:Different adapters for 110 and 220V? by carndearg · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Why cant they produce a dual voltage version? This mystifies me.

      In a dual voltage switch mode power supply the AC input is rectified to form a high voltage DC which is then switched at high frequency(tens of kHz or so) and passed through a ferrite transformer to step down the voltage. The dual voltage bit comes from the rectifier being a bridge rectifier when you set the switch to "240" and a voltage doubler when you set the switch to "110", both giving a DC voltage to the switch somewhere around 300V.

      I would be extremely surprised to find these piezo transformers work at line frequency, i.e. 50 or 60 Hz, I'd expect this to have a detrimental effect on the size of the thing. So I'd expect that the circuit would be surprisingly similar to a conventional switch mode PSU with a rectifier and high frequency switch driving the high voltage side of the piezo transformer. Hence you could use the same bridge rec/voltage doubler arangement I described earlier to give you a dual voltage PSU.

      If there's a piezo expert around to explain whether the piezo transformer will work at 50/60 Hz, I'd love to hear an answer to this one.

  3. This will be a signifigant breakthrough by vmalloc_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I for one am looking forward to seeing this technology develop, and let me tell you this is signifigant! As an electrical engineer that builds transmitters for an income, I can tell you just how signifigant.

    There are basically two ways to transform voltage right now. The first way is to use an electromagnetic transformer, which is a very bulky solution. A 2A 125v-24v power transformer can be the size of my fist, and will generate a lot of heat at even half that amperage max.

    The second way is to use a type of switching power supply that basically uses a step-up transformer to convert the voltage and then filters it down through a series of circuits. This is the system used by most power supplies nowadays because it is cheaper and smaller, but there are many disadvantages to this method as well, most importantly SAFETY. The voltages that run through these can be thousands of volts, and also the circuits can be complicated (it's easier with a transformer, because all you need is a recitifer bridge and a filter capacitor).

    This method, on the other hand, uses a peizoelectric method, which (if I'm understanding it correctly) is very cool. If you need an analogy, this method basically acts like a quartz crystal does, like in radio transmitters and those little RC cars you probably got for christmas.

    If these aren't too expensive and can handle at least a few amps, I can see these being adopted widely in the market, not just in laptops. These things are a potental goldmine, for the improved efficiency alone (heat loss = energy loss).

  4. Transformerless adapters of yesteryear by ortholattice · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Does anyone remember those cheap transformerless adapters you could buy around 1970? They replaced a 9-V transistor radio battery and were the same size, with a cord coming out that plugged into 110V. I opened one up, and there were 4 parts: a capacitor in series with the AC line, a rectifier diode, a 9V zener diode, and an electrolytic filter capacitor. I wonder if anyone got electrocuted by them, and when they were (as I assume) banned.

    Here's a previous rant of mine on AC adapters.

  5. Re:Current products DONT use transformers by sfe_software · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, they are smaller than the transformers needed for non-switching power supplies, but they are there.

    Adding to this is the fact that switch-mode power supplies are the main culprits for RF/EMI problems. A simple 60-Hz transformer (unless in very bad shape) emits very little of anything in the RF spectrum.

    I assumed that the article was in fact referring to switching supplies, since they mentioned the EMI issue as one of the problems that their idea solves.

    The only thing I wonder about is decoupling. Not knowing exactly how they work (the article isn't all that technical), I wonder how well decoupled the output is from the input. I recall a laptop being recalled over poorly decoupled modems, causing a shock in some circumstances; with 110 to 220 VAC, I think the problem would be worse, but it's possible that there is a good degree of isolation in these things.

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  6. stupid problem in the first place by treat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real problem is that there is no standard connector for low DC voltage. Why isn't there one? This would benefit everyone. This isn't a very difficult problem, except that it needs support of big businesses. But it seems that it would even benefit them.

    When I travel I have to bring 9 power supplies (2 laptops, mp3 player, still camera, video camera, 2 cellphones, razor, toothbrush). This is insane! Of course I don't always bring all these devices. I often leave them behind not because of the device itself but because of the weight and volume from the power supply.

  7. What's Old Is New Again by Hirsto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I'm glad to see that someone is actively working in the area, this idea is many decades old. About 20 years ago I obtained a sample kit from a vendor of the PZT and kynar type piezo films and the technical materials with the films gave formulas for computing the width, length and thickness of the films for creating voltage transormers. They gave many construction hints for increasing the output current and suggested operating at frequenccies greater than 500kHz. BTW, they are wonderful tweeters when connected to an audio amplifier. Here is a link to an IEEE artical on the history of Piezo ceramic transformers and filters. http://www.ieee-uffc.org/ultrasonics/jan1.pdf Doesn't mention the film based transformers though. Here is another link to an IBM text article describing kynar voltage tranformers from the late 60's. http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/mit/section c/paradiso.txt

  8. Laptops use more power than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My laptop is currently using 15W (with a crappy power factor of 0.5!) and it isn't even charging. When charging or when the HD is on, it takes over 25W. The current Apple laptop power supplies are rated at 65W.

    So where does this article get the 12W figure from?

    I also question the likelihood of ever using these things. Current laptop power supplies are the size they are largely as a heat dissapation and safety issue (have you seen the requirements for computer power supplies?). They are switch mode supplies and very efficient.

    To be smaller, these piezo power supplies will have to be more efficient and thus produce less heat. Then they can be smaller without overheating.

  9. Look to Japan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thanks to the grad student for the more detailed view of this field. My first question upon reading this headline though was,

    what do the Japanese know that we don't? As someone that travels to Japan extensively, I've become enamored with their electronic consumer goods market. One of their many nice touches -- very small transformers/power adapters for their phones/computers/you name it. Easily half the size of their American counterparts.

    So what gives?

  10. DC Power Distribution. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking of DC power conversion technologies...

    I know that DC power transmission went out with Westinghouse's AC transmission, mostly because DC doesn't really work over significant distances. Would it still work over small distances, say in a house or apartment? (For the sake of argument, say that cable runs could be kept to a maximum of a hundred feet.)

    Assuming that it can work like that, why isn't there DC power distribution alongside AC in many situations? We have so many damned wall warts that it'd be worth it to distribute, say, 24VDC and step it down to 12, 9 or 4.8124VDC. (Whatever's popular.)

    Wouldn't it be more convenient to replace those clunky wall warts with cables designed to step down DC voltage?

    Question is, what exactly is the hardware required to shift DC voltage? I know AC can use a pair of coils with differing winding counts (that's a transformer), but how do you step down DC voltage? And can it be done on the cheap-cheap, and in a small footprint?

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    1. Re:DC Power Distribution. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I know that DC power transmission went out with Westinghouse's AC transmission, mostly because DC doesn't really work over significant distances.

      Actually, DC is more efficient than AC over long distances. The problems with loss have more to do with the voltage. The reason DC lost to AC early on was that AC is easily stepped up to high voltages for transmission, then dropped to "safe" voltages for local distribution. 100+ years ago, all they had were regular copper-wound inductive transformers, and they only work with AC.The problem we have now is that all our DC devices are slaves to their wall-warts, most of which are copper-wound inductive transformers and require AC power. Being that they all had their own power supplies anyway, all those DC devices have different voltage requirements, usually dictated by the "power-hungriest" component in the device. Thus we have no standard for low voltage devices, and no real hope of seeing a standard anytime soon. The closest we have is 12VDC, but only for devices you could conceivably use in a car! You could set up your own home DC power system, but how much will you end up paying for all the DC-DC converters to match the voltage to the device?

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    2. Re:DC Power Distribution. by calidoscope · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I know that DC power transmission went out with Westinghouse's AC transmission, mostly because DC doesn't really work over significant distances.

      That's true of the low voltage DC used in Edison's distribution system (which, by the way, is why American homes have 120/240V single phase service). High voltage DC (+/- 400 KV or so) is actually better than AC for long distance power transmission - due to lower losses and not having to keep the neds in synchronism.

      Assuming that it can work like that, why isn't there DC power distribution alongside AC in many situations?

      Hmmm, the Edison system was still in active use in some cities until recently, that is you could get 120V DC power from the utility.

      Seriously, a DC power distribution does have a lot of merit (power over ethernet??) - it would make a hell of a lot more sense for a UPS to put out DC instead of having to convert the battery voltage from DC to AC. Even if a voltage conversion step is necessary, it would be more effiecient than a wall wart. It would also make sense for those living "off grid".

      If you turn the clock on your DeLorean back to the 1930's - a lot of the ranch and farm houses would have a windcharger for the lights and would have a collection of 32 volt appliances. 32 volts was also common lighting voltage used in railroad passenger cars of that era.

      Question is, what exactly is the hardware required to shift DC voltage?

      If no galvanic isolation is needed, a chopper works fine. Voltage step-down or step-up is adjusted by varying the duty cycle of the switch and free-wheeling diode.

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  11. Power supply in the cable by |>>? · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I visited IBM's Almadden Research Centre in 1997 I recall seeing a cable that looked just like a power lead, but it had the power supply built into the cable. You plugged it into AC power at one end and DC came out the other.

    They were having problems getting aproval from the power company as I recall...

    My memory is getting poor at my old age, so perhaps I'm retelling a story of a friend-of-a-friend who thought about this idea, but I'm pretty sure I saw it - lots of geek magic happened on that trip in 1997.

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    1. Re:Power supply in the cable by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You plugged it into AC power at one end and DC came out the other.

      Gimme four appropriate diodes and a power cord and I'll build you one. Unless, that is, you're expecting something other than dirty 110VDC....
      Getting to DC it the easy part-- it's the voltage conversion that thakes up all the space.

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  12. Effects on the power distribution network by Avian+visitor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Almost all power supplies for consumer electronics, together with so-called energy saving light bulbs, LED lights, etc. cause significant losses in the power distribution networks. Why? Because they draw current only on the top of the sine wave.

    Think about it. The first stage of most power supplies is a simple rectifier circuit. A capacitor that is charged through a couple of diodes. Diodes are open only when the line voltage is grater than the capacitor voltage. And that happens only on the top of the sine wave.

    Why is this a Bad Thing? Because if you make a Fourier analysis of the current you will see that a large part of the current has a higher frequency than the normal 50/60 Hz. This is called higher harmonic current and the transformers in the power distribution networks really suck at transforming it (the losses in the ferromagnetic core of the transformer rise with the square of the frequency!).

    Everyone that talks how LED lights and those fluorescent light bulbs will save environment doesn't know what he is talking about. The losses only move from your house to the nearby transformer (But of course, you do not care about that, do you? You only care how much you pay for your electricity bill).

    I really hope that this new kind of a power supply doesn't have these drawbacks. It would really make life easier for folks that take care of the distribution network.