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Piezoelectric Transformers

behoward writes "Tired of those big honking power adapters needed for all your portable toys? Me too! So far the best solution I've seen is the AC adapter for my G4 Powerbook, a sleek combo yoyo/flying saucer; but while it looks good on the desktop, it still makes too big of a bulge in my case when I travel. Now engineers at Penn State are working on a real solution. Hope Apple gets this technology in place in time for the G5 Powerbook."

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  1. Current products DONT use transformers by Chmarr · · Score: 4, Informative

    The current power adaptors don't use transformers. They're switch-mode power supplies, which use a small inductor and a bunch of circuitry to control switching and regulating.

    So, yes, the article states that the new piezoelectric transformer will be smaller than regular transformers, but the current laptop power supplies DONT use regular transformers!

    So, the real question is, will the piezoelectric transformer be SMALLER than a switch-mode supply, AND, will it be more efficient?

    1. Re:Current products DONT use transformers by FreeMars · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's going to be a big surprise to the folks who manufacture transformers for switching mode power supplies.

      Yes, they are smaller than the transformers needed for non-switching power supplies, but they are there.

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    2. Re:Current products DONT use transformers by sfe_software · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, they are smaller than the transformers needed for non-switching power supplies, but they are there.

      Adding to this is the fact that switch-mode power supplies are the main culprits for RF/EMI problems. A simple 60-Hz transformer (unless in very bad shape) emits very little of anything in the RF spectrum.

      I assumed that the article was in fact referring to switching supplies, since they mentioned the EMI issue as one of the problems that their idea solves.

      The only thing I wonder about is decoupling. Not knowing exactly how they work (the article isn't all that technical), I wonder how well decoupled the output is from the input. I recall a laptop being recalled over poorly decoupled modems, causing a shock in some circumstances; with 110 to 220 VAC, I think the problem would be worse, but it's possible that there is a good degree of isolation in these things.

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    3. Re:Current products DONT use transformers by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
      Some wall transformers use switching power supplies, with a small high-frequency transformer after the chopper, and some are linear, with a front-end transformer running at 50/60Hz.

      Worth mentioning is the forged UL safety label problem. If a power supply doesn't have a UL or CSA label, don't buy it. It will probably catch fire if shorted or even heavily loaded. A UL label must have the UL logo and a certification number. UL certifications can be looked up here. This is worth doing for desktop computer power supplies, for which forged certifications are a big problem. The ones that catch fire are almost invariably uncertified. UL requires that no single component failure can cause a fire.

    4. Re:Current products DONT use transformers by albeit+unknown · · Score: 4, Informative

      Totally wrong.

      Most electronic products, especially those using switch-mode DC power supplies, do use transformers. The reason is that the transformer provides galvanic isolation from the AC mains. This helps prevent transients like lightning strikes from propagating through the device. Also, it prevents the wrong parts from becoming "hot" because the cord is plugged in backwards.

      Products that do not have transformers have much more stringent requirements for creepage and clearance distances, and are usually simple devices. A drill, for example. Hard to do with an electronic device with lots of buttons and slots.

      The high-frequency operation of a switch-mode power supply does allow the magnetics (transformers and inductors) to be much smaller than their 60 Hz linear counterparts, but they are still there.

      Please refrain from commenting about something you know nothing about, as someone may read your post and build something lacking the necessary safety features and hurt themselves.

  2. In disguise! by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who is this new Piezoelectric transformer aligned with?

    Will Megatron get his alligeance and collect enough energon with his help to conquer earth and Cybertron, or will Optimus Prime woo him to the side of good and save us all? ;- )

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  3. ultrasonic by spoonist · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Piezoelectric power adapters operate in the ultrasonic range so humans cannot hear any sound produced..."

    That's nice and all, but what about our pets (cats, dogs, etc)? Are they going to be driven nuts by a high pitched whine?

    1. Re:ultrasonic by Seahawk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well - me reading slashdot havent driven my cat nuts yet - and slashdot definately creates a high pitched whine once in a while...

    2. Re:ultrasonic by Flavio · · Score: 3, Informative

      Regular switching power supplies also operate in the ultrasonic range.

      Well designed supplies are reasonably quiet (as one can verify by making them operate in lower frequencies), so pets tolerate them.

      Likewise, badly designed supplies really pollute the airwaves. It's usually impossible to tune an AM radio within 20 meters of a cheap desktop computer PSU.

  4. Different adapters for 110 and 220V? by rduke15 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article mentions plans to develop 220V. versions. That seems to imply they cannot make adapters taking any voltage between 90 and 240 volts, like the current notebook adapters.

    In other words, it would be a big step backwards if you need to carry around two adapters with your notebook!

    Or can these be made universal like the current standard adapters?

    1. Re:Different adapters for 110 and 220V? by sfe_software · · Score: 3, Informative

      The dual voltage bit comes from the rectifier being a bridge rectifier when you set the switch to "240" and a voltage doubler when you set the switch to "110", both giving a DC voltage to the switch somewhere around 300V.

      That's one way, but most notebook adapters don't have such a switch. Rather, they accept a very wide range of input voltages. They work by simply being able to regulate and handle the full range of voltages; at 90v input the regulator would be passing quite a bit more current through, where at 240v the duty-cycle would be dropped significantly.

      The piezo supplies, from what I gathered from the article, are more along the lines of a basic 60-Hz transformer; eg, you get some specific ratio of input/output voltage, without regulation. I'm sure these could be easily regulated, and I'm sure a future version will be.

      It's (AFAIK) brand-new tech, so more features will come I'm sure, if the technology takes off.

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  5. Transforming cuurent events! by niko9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds electrifying! We need to rectify this alternating situation. We currently need to take a more direct approach. Let's hope they can induct some more engineers, and they can harness the capacitance of their talents and rectify the situation.

    We shall now meditate, repeat after me:

    Ohm
    Ohm
    Ohm

  6. Piezoelectric Transformers by Gary+Whittles · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am doing some graduate studies in this field, so here's a quick breakdown.

    Power electronic circuits have traditionally been based on magnetic technology, and until recently, have not been part of the tide of miniaturization and integration advances from which signal-processing integrated circuits have benefited. In an effort to miniaturize power components, acoustic rather than inductive coupling can be used as the basis for a transformer. Note that acoustic coupling can be achieved through piezoelectric *or* magnetostrictive means.

    In a piezoelectric transformer, the direct and converse piezoelectric effects are used to acoustically transform power from one voltage and current level to another through a vibrating structure. The converse piezoelectric effect, in which an applied electric field produces a resulting strain in a body, is used to convert an oscillating electric field applied to the left half of a structure, such as a bar, into a vibrational mode of the entire bar. If driven at resonance, standing-wave distributions of large amplitudes of stress and strain result. The resonantly amplified strain in the right half of each bar is converted to a voltage across the output terminals by the direct piezoelectric effect. Depending upon geometry and materials parameters, you can obtain voltage amplifications of various magnitudes, with associated step-downs in current level.

    The unique nature of the piezoelectric transformer offers the opportunity for innovative circuit design such as operating above resonance for inductive behavior to achieve soft-switching without compensating inductors.

  7. No YoYo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The YoYo shaped adapters for Apple's PowerBooks have already been replaced by small lightweight adapters. The current ones are tiny and I carry it everywhere without noticing it at all. It looks like the iPod power adapter only slightly larger. Take the current Apple power adapter and compare it to some other laptop manufacturer's power supply and the difference is clear.

  8. This will be a signifigant breakthrough by vmalloc_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I for one am looking forward to seeing this technology develop, and let me tell you this is signifigant! As an electrical engineer that builds transmitters for an income, I can tell you just how signifigant.

    There are basically two ways to transform voltage right now. The first way is to use an electromagnetic transformer, which is a very bulky solution. A 2A 125v-24v power transformer can be the size of my fist, and will generate a lot of heat at even half that amperage max.

    The second way is to use a type of switching power supply that basically uses a step-up transformer to convert the voltage and then filters it down through a series of circuits. This is the system used by most power supplies nowadays because it is cheaper and smaller, but there are many disadvantages to this method as well, most importantly SAFETY. The voltages that run through these can be thousands of volts, and also the circuits can be complicated (it's easier with a transformer, because all you need is a recitifer bridge and a filter capacitor).

    This method, on the other hand, uses a peizoelectric method, which (if I'm understanding it correctly) is very cool. If you need an analogy, this method basically acts like a quartz crystal does, like in radio transmitters and those little RC cars you probably got for christmas.

    If these aren't too expensive and can handle at least a few amps, I can see these being adopted widely in the market, not just in laptops. These things are a potental goldmine, for the improved efficiency alone (heat loss = energy loss).

  9. The Current Powerbook Adapter is Excellent by Qweezle · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a 12" Powerbook G4(original model), and let me tell you, the AC adapter is just excellent. It is very solidly built, and unlike some of my Apple AC adapters of the past, the wire has not frayed at all. I wrap and unrwap it every day, too, so this is even more impressive.

    The small prongs that flip out from the brick are very handy for winding the wire around, and the design is simple, small, and much more durable than other companies' adapters I've used/seen.

    But for this fellow to say the yo-yo design was "great" is just silly. The design was good for its time, but I have one, and the wire frayed eventually, and compared to the current white-brick adapter I own, it is a piece of crap.

  10. stupid problem in the first place by treat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real problem is that there is no standard connector for low DC voltage. Why isn't there one? This would benefit everyone. This isn't a very difficult problem, except that it needs support of big businesses. But it seems that it would even benefit them.

    When I travel I have to bring 9 power supplies (2 laptops, mp3 player, still camera, video camera, 2 cellphones, razor, toothbrush). This is insane! Of course I don't always bring all these devices. I often leave them behind not because of the device itself but because of the weight and volume from the power supply.

    1. Re:stupid problem in the first place by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The real problem is that there is no standard connector for low DC voltage. Why isn't there one? When I travel I have to bring 9 power supplies (2 laptops, mp3 player, still camera, video camera, 2 cellphones, razor, toothbrush).

      Because there's no standard for low voltage. How many of those items use the same voltage? How many of them are even DC? Some devices are sensitive to as little as 2 volts difference plus or minus, and "low voltage" will generally be anything from 3 to 24 volts, plus they can be AC or DC. The connector isn't your problem-- it's the power your devices require.

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  11. Re:This will be a significant breakthrough by SteveAstro · · Score: 3, Informative

    For an electrical engineer you don't know a lot do you ? A decent transformer of 48VA (2A, 24V) will run barely warm if its designed right. Increasingly transformer designers are using cheaper and cheaper techniques which has reduced the regulation of small transformers to as much as 75%. A 48VA TOROIDAL transformer runs basically cold, and is smaller than a clenched fist.

    A an on-line (90-280 V AC In) SMPSU DOES NOT work in the way you describe. The input stage rectifies the incoming AC to high voltage DC (110 x root(2) )The High direct voltage (500 volts) is then chopped at very high frequency and transformed and isolated by a very small high frequency core.

    The piezo electric method is interesting, but TANSTAAFL, and the catch is that piezo materials suffer from hysteresis loss, which results in, you guessed it, heat generation.

    Electromagnetic transformers are close to perfect machines, particularly as the size increases.

    Steve

  12. What's Old Is New Again by Hirsto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I'm glad to see that someone is actively working in the area, this idea is many decades old. About 20 years ago I obtained a sample kit from a vendor of the PZT and kynar type piezo films and the technical materials with the films gave formulas for computing the width, length and thickness of the films for creating voltage transormers. They gave many construction hints for increasing the output current and suggested operating at frequenccies greater than 500kHz. BTW, they are wonderful tweeters when connected to an audio amplifier. Here is a link to an IEEE artical on the history of Piezo ceramic transformers and filters. http://www.ieee-uffc.org/ultrasonics/jan1.pdf Doesn't mention the film based transformers though. Here is another link to an IBM text article describing kynar voltage tranformers from the late 60's. http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/mit/section c/paradiso.txt

  13. Power supply in the cable by |>>? · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I visited IBM's Almadden Research Centre in 1997 I recall seeing a cable that looked just like a power lead, but it had the power supply built into the cable. You plugged it into AC power at one end and DC came out the other.

    They were having problems getting aproval from the power company as I recall...

    My memory is getting poor at my old age, so perhaps I'm retelling a story of a friend-of-a-friend who thought about this idea, but I'm pretty sure I saw it - lots of geek magic happened on that trip in 1997.

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    1. Re:Power supply in the cable by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You plugged it into AC power at one end and DC came out the other.

      Gimme four appropriate diodes and a power cord and I'll build you one. Unless, that is, you're expecting something other than dirty 110VDC....
      Getting to DC it the easy part-- it's the voltage conversion that thakes up all the space.

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  14. Re:DC Power Distribution. by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative
    Regulators are very much not the equivalent of transformers. They can only give a voltage drop, but the current is kept constant, which is why some energy is wasted.

    For example, converting from 6 V to 5 V at a current of 1 A means a voltage drop of 1 V. Input power is 6V * 1A = 6 W, whereas output power is 5V * 1A = 5 W. The difference is wasted heat, and you can always calculate this as voltage drop times current. You need to choose a suitable heatsink to accommodate the heat. For many electronic gadgets the current is small enough that the waste is not a concern, but with computers you need several amps, so a regulator would be out of the question.

    However, a transformer from 6 V to 5 V would have ideally equal input and output power. Keeping the input at 6 V, 1 A, the output would be 5 V at 1.2 A, i.e. the same power, no waste. However, "DC transformers" are always a little complicated (basically inverter+transformer+rectifier) and there are other losses.

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  15. Re:DC Power Distribution. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I know that DC power transmission went out with Westinghouse's AC transmission, mostly because DC doesn't really work over significant distances.

    Actually, DC is more efficient than AC over long distances. The problems with loss have more to do with the voltage. The reason DC lost to AC early on was that AC is easily stepped up to high voltages for transmission, then dropped to "safe" voltages for local distribution. 100+ years ago, all they had were regular copper-wound inductive transformers, and they only work with AC.The problem we have now is that all our DC devices are slaves to their wall-warts, most of which are copper-wound inductive transformers and require AC power. Being that they all had their own power supplies anyway, all those DC devices have different voltage requirements, usually dictated by the "power-hungriest" component in the device. Thus we have no standard for low voltage devices, and no real hope of seeing a standard anytime soon. The closest we have is 12VDC, but only for devices you could conceivably use in a car! You could set up your own home DC power system, but how much will you end up paying for all the DC-DC converters to match the voltage to the device?

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  16. Effects on the power distribution network by Avian+visitor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Almost all power supplies for consumer electronics, together with so-called energy saving light bulbs, LED lights, etc. cause significant losses in the power distribution networks. Why? Because they draw current only on the top of the sine wave.

    Think about it. The first stage of most power supplies is a simple rectifier circuit. A capacitor that is charged through a couple of diodes. Diodes are open only when the line voltage is grater than the capacitor voltage. And that happens only on the top of the sine wave.

    Why is this a Bad Thing? Because if you make a Fourier analysis of the current you will see that a large part of the current has a higher frequency than the normal 50/60 Hz. This is called higher harmonic current and the transformers in the power distribution networks really suck at transforming it (the losses in the ferromagnetic core of the transformer rise with the square of the frequency!).

    Everyone that talks how LED lights and those fluorescent light bulbs will save environment doesn't know what he is talking about. The losses only move from your house to the nearby transformer (But of course, you do not care about that, do you? You only care how much you pay for your electricity bill).

    I really hope that this new kind of a power supply doesn't have these drawbacks. It would really make life easier for folks that take care of the distribution network.

  17. Poor "technical" article by serbanp · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's simply full of inaccuracies. The piezo transformer is not a new idea. You take a piece of piezo-electric material, excite it in AC (thus making it vibrate) and, with electrodes placed properly on the same piece of material, you get back electric signal from the vibration.

    This stuff is already used in low-to-high voltage converters (e.g. the inverter in the laptop panel - its job is to produce high AC voltage for driving the backplane CCFL). However there are tremendous shortcomings when comparing to the mature magnetic energy conversion:
    1) LOWER efficiency - if you can get 84% you've got a lucky day. Magnetic-based conversion can easily achieve 90-95%.
    2) to work properly, these things must be driven at resonance, i.e. the AC input signal must match the resonating frequency of the piezo-transformer. This is much more difficult (think dynamic frequency tuning) than driving the wide bandwidth magnetic transformer.
    3) derived from 2), the driving signal must be sinus (the energy confined in a narrow spectrum). This is very difficult. A magnetic transformer is usually driven in switching-mode - certainly all AC-adaptors (off-line AC/DC converters) for laptops are.
    4) the input/output voltage ratio is fixed by the piezotransformer geometry. A ratio higher than 1:10 was very unusual back in 2001 when I designed back-light inverters with them. In contrast, the magnetic transformer is very versatile and, when controlling the insulation between the primary and secondary(ies), you can easily achieve factors of 100s.
    5) present piezo materials have much lower power density ratings than the better magnetic cores. This means that for the same 80W AC-adaptor you'll need a much bulkier piezo-transformer than a magnetic transformer to transfer that power.

    Did you see any of these major setbacks mentioned in the article? What a piece of crap!

    B.t.w. it makes no sense to integrate the AC adaptor in the laptop as it limits its portability. When you're on batteries and you can't use the AC outlet, you don't want to carry with you the extra weight of an useless AC adaptor, do you?

    Serban