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Blast Theory Unwires Online Games

Wired is running a story on "wireless games" as being developed by Blast Theory. They are games played on mobile phones using GPRS to deduce the physical location of the game player, which is used as part of the game. Two different game ideas are touched on, as well as some discussion of where the ideas came from and where they're going. Cool stuff that even sounds fun, and reminds me a bit of playing tag with CB radios.

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  1. CB sounds much more sane by pdbaby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Common users in the UK don't use gprs (at least, none that I know) because it is slow and far too expensive: while it may be fast enough for these sorts of games, it will still stay quite expensive because service providers have significant infrastructure costs and they have to overcharge in some areas so they can be competitive in others. In other news, look at some of the great ideas for wireless gaming that have fallen flat: namely Nokia's N-Gage. Perhaps real multiplayer gaming (and gaming communities) are just for games consoles, PCs and Macs?

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    1. Re:CB sounds much more sane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Plus you cant use them on airplanes. Whats the point. Thats the time you do need some entertainment.

      Just get a normal mobile its just a damn phone.

      Until they can pack an mp3 player, 1gb memory that looks like a removable drive to the OS, GPS, flat rate broadband, colour screen and camera and voice for all under 100 bucks (not including stupid contract) for get it. Oh and no custom USB cables. Thats why I do not buy iRiver players, I need to carry cables everywhere I go just to move files.

    2. Re:CB sounds much more sane by BizDiz · · Score: 1

      I can put my phone on "airplane mode" and still play games.

    3. Re:CB sounds much more sane by throwaway18 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Common users in the UK don't use gprs

      It's not common at the moment but orange reccently launched a flat rate data service. 25UKP (about 38USD) per month for roughly 56Kbps internet access wherever you are with your laptop. This will probably be popular with buisness people who want email everywhere. Per minute fees to access the internet from a mobile phone easily exceed 25 quid a month for ocassional peak time use. I'v been told by a geek aquantance that GPRS operates over ATM which provides a virtual circuit. This means using GPRS on the move works very badly because it takes minutes for the ATM layer to find you when you move from one cell to another and then trys to deliver all the retry packets that both ends have been putting out in the meantime rarther than drop them as expected.

    4. Re:CB sounds much more sane by pdbaby · · Score: 1

      And how many flight attendants will let you use it? It is my experience that they have a blanket ban on all phones. Try explaining to them that you have an aircraft mode that's safe and you're likely to find yourself unwelcome -- or facing legal action because of their ignorance.

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    5. Re:CB sounds much more sane by BizDiz · · Score: 1

      I've had it out quite a few times. It's my experience that assholes tend to be treated like assholes, and nice folks tend to be treated like nice folks. I wonder which camp you're in....

    6. Re:CB sounds much more sane by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Just get a normal mobile its just a damn phone.

      Look at the name of this website. How many people here are interested in a "normal mobile".

      Until they can pack an mp3 player, 1gb memory that looks like a removable drive to the OS, GPS, flat rate broadband, colour screen and camera and voice for all under 100 bucks (not including stupid contract) for get it. Oh and no custom USB cables. Thats why I do not buy iRiver players, I need to carry cables everywhere I go just to move files.

      Open your eyes. Most of them have already been done. mp3, SDIO cards (1gig available, no upper limit like IDE), GPS (over BT, integrated soon, but GSM can do DF already), broadband (3G phones), colour screen, camera, and an IRDA/USB/COM hookup. My current phone has all of these except the broadband. 3G phones aren't all that great yet, so I'm holding off on that one.

      I've also got a shitload of pretty good games, DivX episodes of Futurama etc, e-mail, proper internet, blah blah blah. Everything a pocket PC has, because it is essentially one.

      Yup, it has an airplane mode, however forget being able to do it outside of business class. Even if you persuade the flight staff that it's safe, the other passengers will either bitch or bring out their own unsafe phones. Not worth the hassle for the staff.

      Except the contract part. Do you have any idea how much these devices cost? The contract is neccessary for the telco to make a profit! They wouldn't do it at a loss!! The phones cost at least 500 bucks to buy without contract. You'd be lucky if you could buy a colour screen and a battery for 100 bucks!!

    7. Re:CB sounds much more sane by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      It's not common at the moment but orange reccently launched a flat rate data service. 25UKP (about 38USD) per month for roughly 56Kbps internet access wherever you are with your laptop.

      I'm with Orange, and a GPRS customer. Unfortunately, this is still rather expensive. IIRC, GPRS is around 2 UKP for 1 meg. To make flat rate worthwhile, you'd need to use up around 12 meg. I've got an IMAP sync every 2 hours and use the web now and again, and I've never went over 8meg in one month, average is nearer four.

      Of course, with unmetered, I'd use a lot more, but it just can't be justified for 99% of users. I'd bet that the only ones with it on their account are management perk-loving types who don't even know what GPRS is!!

      I'v been told by a geek aquantance that GPRS operates over ATM which provides a virtual circuit. This means using GPRS on the move works very badly because it takes minutes for the ATM layer to find you when you move from one cell to another and then trys to deliver all the retry packets that both ends have been putting out in the meantime rarther than drop them as expected.

      Yup. I've tried streaming radio to mine on the move. Forget it! You are lucky if you can keep the stream going for over 5 mins when not moving!! The first three months of GPRS were unmetered, so we got to try this stuff out for free! ;-)

    8. Re:CB sounds much more sane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone using MMS is using GPRS so it's actually pretty common.

      And people playing these games, which seem to be rather niche, will be the early adopters already using GPRS.

  2. Privacy at stake by Isopropyl · · Score: 0, Troll

    I hope this won't signify a big invasion of privacy. I'd hate to be able to be pinpointed by any schmuck with a cell phone.

    1. Re:Privacy at stake by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 4, Funny

      I sure hope the pinpoint feature is disabled when you buy the phone. I'm sure they (evil salespersons) would abuse it otherwise.

      Salesman: Good day sir. We've noticed you're a regular client of the local brothel. Would you be intrested in buying our overpriced list of places you've visited? No? Well, perhaps your wife would?

    2. Re:Privacy at stake by Afty0r · · Score: 1
      I sure hope the pinpoint feature is disabled when you buy the phone.

      It's irrelevant - all phone positions can be found by triangulating the phones signal from multiple base stations. It's been like this for years.
      There are rumours that some phones, even when turned "off" are trackable, I'm not sure how reliable this is, except to say that taking the battery out would prevent this (assuming there's no on-chip capacitors) and that it's definitely possible
    3. Re:Privacy at stake by Gwyn_232 · · Score: 1

      The only cure is to live a completely shameless life.

  3. Sounds good by The+Terrorists · · Score: 1

    Combine it with flash mob activism for two trendy memes in one! Cell phone tag in the boardroom or to disrupt an abortion clinic.. brilliant.

    1. Re:Sounds good by pdbaby · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Darl is close" I think I can see a flash mob building more quickly than normal.

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    2. Re:Sounds good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I thought the idea of flash mobs was to avoid activism? Sounds like a wonderful way to gather a large group of dupes and puppets.

      When I do social activism, I make damned sure that it's with people I trust not to lose their heads or get carried away.

  4. real world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    We wanted the discrete boundaries of online community to bleed out into the real world, and we wanted to see how this might change people.


    I wonder what slashdot trolls are like in the real world.

    It would certainly change our online community quite a bit.

    1. Re:real world? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I wonder what slashdot trolls are like in the real world.

      At a guess, probably bored and lonely, and not very sociable. They get their kicks out of winding up others, but in the real world that behaviour would get their legs broken.

      I for one welcome trolls to the real world. Could someone capture it to DV and post it here? ;-)

  5. Location by ScribeOfTheNile · · Score: 3, Funny

    What if my real-world location places me inside a wall etc. within the game?

    1. Re:Location by pod · · Score: 1

      Hey, no fair cheating! You can't use the no-clip code!

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  6. amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    amazing

  7. it sounds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Lame as fuck, but at least it gets geeks to go outside.

  8. How about using real maps? by dexterpexter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow. I cannot wait until they expand this further. Forget pencil and paper AD&D. Imagine expanding on this idea and using known-maps of cities as the dungeons where you take up a character and text message your responses. "I am Tier, master of the Bronx." Certainly redefines the idea of the RPG.

    That touches on one problem I have concerning the game. I think they will have trouble with game dynamics until they are able to provide real-maps of the service area. Imagine having to reach a point in the game that, in your world, would put you in the middle of the river, or inside a concrete wall. I suppose that you could possibly re-define your position, but for users in crowded areas (like the test cities that they mentioned), this would get frustrating. It would not have to be terribly detailed, since the landscape often changes, but it should not be too difficult to define the main buildings of the city and use this as the background map for the game.

    The only question that I have is: how reliable is the positioning? I realize that they are not using straight-GPS, but I am curious as to how reliable the positioning is. When I was working on autonomous robot navigation (keeping in mind that we did not have a differential GPS system readily available), we had problems with floating satellite positioning that sometimes put the target nine foot away from its actual position. The article mentioned getting within five meters, which makes the nine foot floating irrelevant (unless both positions ended up 9 feet on either side from eachother), but I am curious nonetheless.

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    1. Re:How about using real maps? by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny
      Imagine having to reach a point in the game that, in your world, would put you in the middle of the river

      How about in the middle of someone's living room? "Hello, can we come in? We have to kill the evil dark hag of hell." "Honey, some people here to see your mother..."

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    2. Re:How about using real maps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I am Tier, master of the Bronx."

      Thug: Yeah? And my name's Luthor and I'm gonna kick your ass if you don't give me your watch bitch!

    3. Re:How about using real maps? by paulgrant · · Score: 1

      >"I am Tier, master of the Bronx."

      I think I met you back at a Larp convention in '62....

      and,

      Russian gang members don't have names like Tier.
      "Maxilimillian, master of the Bronx" would prolly be more accurate.

      omard-out

    4. Re:How about using real maps? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      How about in the middle of someone's living room? "Hello, can we come in? We have to kill the evil dark hag of hell.

      Reminds me of a strange British law, right of way. If a path has been used commonly for X number of years, it is considered a public right of way. If you build a house on it and block access, people can demand to pass through. I remember a TV show about it that had footage of a family having a picnic in someone elses front room due to this!!

    5. Re:How about using real maps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh yeah - and in Rand McNally people wear hats on their feet and the hamburgers eat people.

  9. Sounds cool! by ActionPlant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The idea is great...but as usual, this poses yet more potential for bad driving. If they get good at the pinpointing, I can very well see kids in cars literally playing tag...except this time instead of running in a field, they'll be endangering other drivers.

    Damon,

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  10. Remember the movie Gotcha by jeoin · · Score: 1

    You could redo the entire movie with these new games.

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  11. Olympic Hide and Seek? by dduardo · · Score: 5, Funny

    hmm, this technology sure could have helped those involved in Olympic Hide and Seek.

    Comentator: Hello, good afternoon and welcome to the second leg of the Olympic final of the men's Hide-and-Seek here in the heart of Britain's London. We'll be surfing in just a couple of moments from now, and there you can see the two competitors Francisco Huron the Paraguayan, who in this leg is the seeker (we see Francisco Huron darting about, looking behind things) and there's the man he'll be looking for ... (we see Don Roberts practising hiding) our own Don Roberts from Hinckley in Leicestershire who, his trainer tells me, is at the height of his self-secreting form. And now in the first leg, which ended on Wednesday, Don succeeded in finding the Paraguayan in the new world record time of 11 years, 2 months, 26 days, 9 hours, 3 minutes, 27.4 seconds, in a sweetshop in Kilmarnock. And now they're under starter's orders.
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  12. Extra Cool by dolo666 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What would be even extra cool is if they would integrate the sign-reading technology into this product. I poked around to try and find some links to that old story but came up empty.

  13. We're actually quite nice by egg+troll · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    We spend most of our time planning quilting bees and such. Feel free to attend one sometime. Most often, we provide punch and pie!

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  14. Wireless data with CB radio's by throwaway18 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wireless data with CB radio's didn't work very well for me.

    Eight bit home computers had plastic cases with no shielding.
    They produced lots of noise that interfered with radio reception and transmitting near them caused crashes, paticularly if you illegally used one of the cheap non-linear harmonic spewing amplifiers sold to CBers.

    I only had one friend geeky enough to participate so it was quicker to bike the mile to his house with a cassette tape than to mess about sending something to him at 300 baud. Hours of fun though.

    Years later I got a ham license and went on the packet radio network.
    It was like newsgroups and fidonet, I contacted my local bbs and messges were stored and forwarded across the global. It took about a month to send a message from the UK to Australia and get a reply. Then we eventually got flat rate internet and everyone lost interest in packet.

    In the last few years all the local geeks, hackers and technical types with any enthusiasm have moved south for jobs and opportunitys. I should have followed them. A few people in the Newcastle linux user group are interested in building an 802.11 WAN but we don't have enough people to get it off the ground.

    1. Re:Wireless data with CB radio's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the pointless banter of your yesteryears slashbot. However, I was really looking for you to go into punchcards and 8 inch floppy drives though and you failed to do this. You also should include a phrase like 'back in the day' so that disinterested non relic slashbots can get to that line and merely ignore the rest of your post.

      For these infractions I am going to have to give you a score of 3 out of 8 stars. Or in hex, since you are an old dork 3 out of 8 stars.

      If you have trouble reading this then slap the computer monitor a couple of times. That should do it gramps!!!

      I am going to go before you start waxing on about tape drive formats.

  15. Little like the movie "The Game" .... by leoaugust · · Score: 1

    Are these questions real, or part of the game? Sometimes players stop midstream and say, "Look, I said 'yes' to the thing about being there for a stranger yesterday, but I thought about it and have to say 'no.' Please remove me from your database."

    It reminds me of the movie The Game (1997) starring Michael Douglas.

    And to add to the "evil angle" the whole project has real villains ... Spooky ...

    We're funded by the Arts Council of England, Microsoft Research, British Telecom (BT of the Hyperlink Patent fame) ...

    And then is this feeling of Oh Shit! that I have always wanted to feel in case of Ashcroft or RIAA/MPAA come for me and the Bad Boys ... Would love to feel it vicariously rather than in reality .. like the audiences loved "touching" death when the saw from a safe distance the Gladiators battling to death ...

    they told us the hair stood up on the back of their necks with an adrenaline rush -- "Shit! They're coming for me now"

    Wow, No Shit ! I would love to feel that Shit too.

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  16. Follow the money by RedOregon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No one's noticed yet that this thing is partially (no percentage mentioned) funded by Microsoft Research? I dunno about the collective you, but that gives me the heebie-jeebies...

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  17. Don't get too excited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just a cheap way of getting you to spend more money on phone calls and mobile phones by creating a phoney buzz about a 'cool' new game.

    There's one born every minute.

    1. Re:Don't get too excited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Next, they'll start dropping anonymous hints that the government is going to ban it, and that it'll be a cool new underground game.

      Sort of like this post. Have a nice day.

  18. Highlander by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

    People could play "Highlander" -- when another "immortal" is near, the phone goes off -- a battle ensues and one is dispatched.

  19. Or better yet. . . by Bastian · · Score: 1

    How about we just run around the city at night and play rock-paper-scissors at each other?

    Do we really need cell phones to have a good LARP?

    1. Re:Or better yet. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, rock-paper-scissors is all fun and games until a weirded-out cop/security guard plays a gun.

  20. Stupendous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupendous!

  21. At long last! by StupidKatz · · Score: 1

    Finally, an excuse to chop random stranger up with my cool samurai sword!

    These are precisely the types of games I've been waiting for: ones that put all the entertainment of current (okay, okay, of the previous years) into the real-world environment. I want to run around in public with a fake rocket launcher whilst playing AR (Augmented Reality) DOOM! Mmm, I bet the corpses will still be staring up at me even after I walk around to the other side...

  22. pretty cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    except cb radios are kinda dumb now.

  23. Such a dangerous idea by Googo · · Score: 1

    So soon we'll see people running into the middle of the road shouting "I got the item!!". Then a few seconds latter they get run over. They better make this thing safe.

  24. Nokia N-Gage by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anytime someone mention cell phone and games, I think of lousy tetris or pacman type games with 16bit graphics at best.

    Anytime someone mention wireless cell phone and games, I think of Nokia N-Gage the most poorly launched video game system in the history of the gaming industry.

    If you ask me, cell phones, wireless and gaming just don't mix yet. This stuff is targeting an audience that are anything but hardcore gamers who play only half hour of games in a whole day.

  25. Foiled once again... by lhpineapple · · Score: 1

    I can see it now. Kids are going to start walking around with little tin foil hats on their cell phones just to win...

  26. Game over... by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

    GAME OVER, MAN!!

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  27. Cool but dangerous by Bruha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now we'll see sexual predators that use the game to play tag with their victims.. with more and more kids being given cell phones by their parents to keep tabs on them the some sick bastards are probably learning they can do the same.

    Time for CellNanny..

    1. Re:Cool but dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful? What the fuck?! I'm guessing this was meant to be a 'won't somebody think of the children?' style post. If not it's written by a pure-bred retard.

  28. Location-based games by Tom_Soderlund · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is exactly that the games produced by It's Alive! and YDreams are about. These games are location-based (using GPS or network cell ID), but add the "always-connected" feature and you have pervasive gaming .

  29. that game that could leave messages on your VM? by TSNV · · Score: 0

    i'm afraid i forget what it was called (majesty or majestic or some such thing) but does anyone think this sounds like an opportunity for a sequel? i.e., it sends you a fax or whatever saying to GO to this place and then checks via your cell phone if you made it? maybe at these coordinates, one can find the sword of narzle?

    just a thought.

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  30. The game they can't talk about or the suits will.. by luekj · · Score: 1
    Yeah. What if we play this game? It's called 'where are teh gps co-ordinates of your illegal materials'.

    All you hafta do is answer a few fun locale-related questions and suddendly cops come to your door for even mroe entertaining justice in action!

    Yes I realize this came a little to late to try on saddam...comon america!

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  31. GPRS for positioning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you use GPRS for positioning? GPRS or General Packet Radio System is a communications protocol and IS NOT GPS.

    The similarity of their acronyms is unfortunate.

    It's not the posters fault though, they do make this same statement very briefly in the article.

    Am I missing something?